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		<title>By: Jean S</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/05/splicing-temperature-and-proxy-records/#comment-377096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-376999&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UC (Nov 23 08:11)&lt;/a&gt;, 

No, neither there is any mentioning of a splice in Jones et al (1998), which I think also has a splice (1992-1998 before smoothing) in C &amp; L (2000) Figure 2:
&lt;img src=&quot;http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2005/11/crowle9.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;&quot; /&gt;
The final uptick does not appear in the original reconstruction.

I think you can perfectly replicate the MBH recon (red) in Crowley (2000) Figure 1 using the &lt;a href=&quot;ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/mann1999/recons/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NOAA MBH99 archive&lt;/a&gt; by simply concatenating the raw instrumental (1981-1998) to the end of the recon and then taking 11-point running mean.
&lt;img src=&quot;http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2005/11/crowle4.gif&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-376999" rel="nofollow">UC (Nov 23 08:11)</a>, </p>
<p>No, neither there is any mentioning of a splice in Jones et al (1998), which I think also has a splice (1992-1998 before smoothing) in C &amp; L (2000) Figure 2:<br />
<img src="http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2005/11/crowle9.jpg" alt="" width="" /><br />
The final uptick does not appear in the original reconstruction.</p>
<p>I think you can perfectly replicate the MBH recon (red) in Crowley (2000) Figure 1 using the <a href="ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/mann1999/recons/" rel="nofollow">NOAA MBH99 archive</a> by simply concatenating the raw instrumental (1981-1998) to the end of the recon and then taking 11-point running mean.<br />
<img src="http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2005/11/crowle4.gif" alt="" width="" /></p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/05/splicing-temperature-and-proxy-records/#comment-376999</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Not only that, the Crowley series splicing (with Keith’s style of cutting back the reconstruction) is explicitly stated in Crowley (2000)! &quot;

But MBH99 splice not. Interesting. I need to update the timeline  ( http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/26/the-trick-timeline/ ). Is this really concatenate the raw data and then smooth, or something different?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not only that, the Crowley series splicing (with Keith’s style of cutting back the reconstruction) is explicitly stated in Crowley (2000)! &#8221;</p>
<p>But MBH99 splice not. Interesting. I need to update the timeline  ( <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/26/the-trick-timeline/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/26/the-trick-timeline/</a> ). Is this really concatenate the raw data and then smooth, or something different?</p>
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		<title>By: Jean S</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/05/splicing-temperature-and-proxy-records/#comment-376695</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Jacob!

The article actually predates ClimateAudit-blog (started on Jan 31, 2005), and was originally published on the website www.climate2003.com Steve had for awhile (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/03/climateaudit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).

This is very interesting! First, it is just amazing Steve was discussing Crowley&#039;s splicing (and Mann&#039;s comment) already in early 2005. I don&#039;t recall reading the &quot;MORE-part&quot; before, so the end part is partly new to me:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Version 2 with the splice at 1870 is used in the spaghetti diagram of Mann et al. [2003]. Version 1 with the splice at 1965 is used in the spaghetti diagram of Jones and Mann [2004]. This can only be seen through careful inspection of the diagrams blown up to 400% scale (since digital information for the  not provide digital information for the spaghetti diagrams is not provided. The legend to Jones and Mann [2004] says the following:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Crowley and Lowery [2000] series shown here replaces an incorrect version of the series shown in similar previous comparisons [e.g., Mann et al., 2003a]. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given that Mann had gone to the trouble of changing Crowley versions (with the effect of reducing the splice beginning from 1870 to 1965), it seems odd that he was unable to recall Crowley&#039;s grafting in response to the realclimate reader.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The second interesting thing is that we see that Steve is only a human, he was mistaken! Mann et al. (2003) (more recent posts about that study, see, e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2011/12/04/moderate-low-weight/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) did not use &quot;Version 2&quot; as was &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2005/11/22/mann-on-splices-the-case-of-crowley-and-lowery/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;later found out&lt;/a&gt;, but they actually used MBH99+0.5sigma!

I noticed another thing, which I leave to Steve to decide. I think Steve was mistaken on another point too: Jones &amp; Mann (2004) did not use &quot;version 1&quot; (black in Steve&#039;s figure) but &quot;version 2&quot; (red) (which is not from Crowley and Lowery (2000) as J&amp;M claim but from Crowley (2000) !!) - the one with instrumental splice between 1870-1965! 

But there is even more! While &quot;researching&quot; for this comment, I learned that &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2005/11/21/splices-in-crowley-and-lowery/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve had observed&lt;/a&gt; already back in 2005 that Crowley (2000) and Crowley &amp; Lowery (2000)  had used, which is now known as, &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2011/03/29/keiths-science-trick-mikes-nature-trick-and-phils-combo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Phil&#039;s combo&lt;/a&gt; (without Keith&#039;s Science Trick) also in displaying MBH99! Not only that, the Crowley series splicing (with Keith&#039;s style of cutting back the reconstruction) is explicitly stated in Crowley (2000)! This (along what they did in WMO graph) puts Mann&#039;s infamous comment over RC in to very interesting light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jacob!</p>
<p>The article actually predates ClimateAudit-blog (started on Jan 31, 2005), and was originally published on the website <a href="http://www.climate2003.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.climate2003.com</a> Steve had for awhile (see <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/03/climateaudit/" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
<p>This is very interesting! First, it is just amazing Steve was discussing Crowley&#8217;s splicing (and Mann&#8217;s comment) already in early 2005. I don&#8217;t recall reading the &#8220;MORE-part&#8221; before, so the end part is partly new to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Version 2 with the splice at 1870 is used in the spaghetti diagram of Mann et al. [2003]. Version 1 with the splice at 1965 is used in the spaghetti diagram of Jones and Mann [2004]. This can only be seen through careful inspection of the diagrams blown up to 400% scale (since digital information for the  not provide digital information for the spaghetti diagrams is not provided. The legend to Jones and Mann [2004] says the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Crowley and Lowery [2000] series shown here replaces an incorrect version of the series shown in similar previous comparisons [e.g., Mann et al., 2003a]. </p></blockquote>
<p>Given that Mann had gone to the trouble of changing Crowley versions (with the effect of reducing the splice beginning from 1870 to 1965), it seems odd that he was unable to recall Crowley&#8217;s grafting in response to the realclimate reader.</p></blockquote>
<p>The second interesting thing is that we see that Steve is only a human, he was mistaken! Mann et al. (2003) (more recent posts about that study, see, e.g., <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2011/12/04/moderate-low-weight/" rel="nofollow">here</a>) did not use &#8220;Version 2&#8243; as was <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2005/11/22/mann-on-splices-the-case-of-crowley-and-lowery/" rel="nofollow">later found out</a>, but they actually used MBH99+0.5sigma!</p>
<p>I noticed another thing, which I leave to Steve to decide. I think Steve was mistaken on another point too: Jones &amp; Mann (2004) did not use &#8220;version 1&#8243; (black in Steve&#8217;s figure) but &#8220;version 2&#8243; (red) (which is not from Crowley and Lowery (2000) as J&amp;M claim but from Crowley (2000) !!) &#8211; the one with instrumental splice between 1870-1965! </p>
<p>But there is even more! While &#8220;researching&#8221; for this comment, I learned that <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2005/11/21/splices-in-crowley-and-lowery/" rel="nofollow">Steve had observed</a> already back in 2005 that Crowley (2000) and Crowley &amp; Lowery (2000)  had used, which is now known as, <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2011/03/29/keiths-science-trick-mikes-nature-trick-and-phils-combo/" rel="nofollow">Phil&#8217;s combo</a> (without Keith&#8217;s Science Trick) also in displaying MBH99! Not only that, the Crowley series splicing (with Keith&#8217;s style of cutting back the reconstruction) is explicitly stated in Crowley (2000)! This (along what they did in WMO graph) puts Mann&#8217;s infamous comment over RC in to very interesting light.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Bauer</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/05/splicing-temperature-and-proxy-records/#comment-376624</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Bauer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The document that the link at MORE points to appears to be presently located at 


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.info/data/climate2003/blog/crowley_splices.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.climateaudit.info/data/climate2003/blog/crowley_splices.htm&lt;/a&gt; 

The picture within that webpage seems to be this one:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.info/data/climate2003/images/draft14.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.climateaudit.info/data/climate2003/images/draft14.gif&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The document that the link at MORE points to appears to be presently located at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateaudit.info/data/climate2003/blog/crowley_splices.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.info/data/climate2003/blog/crowley_splices.htm</a> </p>
<p>The picture within that webpage seems to be this one:<br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.info/data/climate2003/images/draft14.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.info/data/climate2003/images/draft14.gif</a></p>
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