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	<title>Comments on: Some Thoughts on Disclosure and Due Diligence in Climate Science</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-418177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 14:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[8 years on and the new furor over the Harvard economist putting a fundamental error into worldwide circulation has brought some attention to such issues.

Climate science is hardly alone in having incentives working against confirmation and  replication of research.  Here is a good article on lack of replication of data and studies in economics:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-06/reinhart-rogoff-s-lesson-for-economists.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Replication, replication, replication&lt;/a&gt; 


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Replication rarely leads to career success. “Ideas” people -- those exciting scholars generating new insights into how society functions -- are the stars of the profession. Those who do the grindingly difficult work of checking whether the stars’ insights are actually true rarely get recognized. Who can name an economist who achieved fame through replication?

Editors of academic journals prefer to give what scarce space they have to exciting new ideas, rather than rehashing old debates. They commonly ignore even clear evidence of errors. In one case, according to the economist Mark Thoma, the flagship American Economic Review declined to correct a mistake in a paper written by Ben S. Bernanke and Alan Blinder, even though the authors acknowledged the error.

For a scholar, replication offers an unappealing bet. Heads, you discover that the findings of an original study are largely correct, and no journal will publish your paper because there’s no interest in learning that something is still true. Tails, you find a serious flaw, but your results still probably won’t be published and you’ve earned enemies who may try to land some reputational punches against you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8 years on and the new furor over the Harvard economist putting a fundamental error into worldwide circulation has brought some attention to such issues.</p>
<p>Climate science is hardly alone in having incentives working against confirmation and  replication of research.  Here is a good article on lack of replication of data and studies in economics:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-06/reinhart-rogoff-s-lesson-for-economists.html" rel="nofollow">Replication, replication, replication</a> </p>
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Replication rarely leads to career success. “Ideas” people &#8212; those exciting scholars generating new insights into how society functions &#8212; are the stars of the profession. Those who do the grindingly difficult work of checking whether the stars’ insights are actually true rarely get recognized. Who can name an economist who achieved fame through replication?</p>
<p>Editors of academic journals prefer to give what scarce space they have to exciting new ideas, rather than rehashing old debates. They commonly ignore even clear evidence of errors. In one case, according to the economist Mark Thoma, the flagship American Economic Review declined to correct a mistake in a paper written by Ben S. Bernanke and Alan Blinder, even though the authors acknowledged the error.</p>
<p>For a scholar, replication offers an unappealing bet. Heads, you discover that the findings of an original study are largely correct, and no journal will publish your paper because there’s no interest in learning that something is still true. Tails, you find a serious flaw, but your results still probably won’t be published and you’ve earned enemies who may try to land some reputational punches against you.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Five Blasts of Bias from the New York Times in 2012 - Rise of the Right</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-388700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Five Blasts of Bias from the New York Times in 2012 - Rise of the Right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] blog by global warming advocate Michael Mann, creator of the now-discredited &#8220;hockey stick&#8221; graph that purported to show a sharp spike in global temperatures over the last few decades. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog by global warming advocate Michael Mann, creator of the now-discredited &#8220;hockey stick&#8221; graph that purported to show a sharp spike in global temperatures over the last few decades. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-381880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating comment by the late Ian Castles, whose work was discussed recently in a memorable thread on Bishop Hill.

I am also returning to many of the comments above on this thread, since there is a lot of good commentary in response to a couple of angry apologists for Mann et al above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating comment by the late Ian Castles, whose work was discussed recently in a memorable thread on Bishop Hill.</p>
<p>I am also returning to many of the comments above on this thread, since there is a lot of good commentary in response to a couple of angry apologists for Mann et al above.</p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-375517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another important post which I have been thinking about now.  As a relative newbie it is still fascinating (if distressing) to review how this has all played out over the years.  Huge kudos to Steve and all who have aided him through the years.

Perhaps someone who knows these matters thoroughly could assist Steve (who has so much to keep him busy) and all with an updated article on data, disclosure, transparency, and best practices for climate sciences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another important post which I have been thinking about now.  As a relative newbie it is still fascinating (if distressing) to review how this has all played out over the years.  Huge kudos to Steve and all who have aided him through the years.</p>
<p>Perhaps someone who knows these matters thoroughly could assist Steve (who has so much to keep him busy) and all with an updated article on data, disclosure, transparency, and best practices for climate sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: More on Requests for Data &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-245468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More on Requests for Data &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] also posted some thoughts on these matters in a couple of op-eds at the National Post &#8211; one on due diligence, one on bringing the proxies up to date             This entry was written by Steve McIntyre, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also posted some thoughts on these matters in a couple of op-eds at the National Post &#8211; one on due diligence, one on bringing the proxies up to date             This entry was written by Steve McIntyre, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-224875</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Benjamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe Steve&#039;s perspective in business auditing is useful.

I approach this climate debate from two other different perspectives: medical, where confidence levels are calculated quite accurately, and risk management.

My question is, can someone identify the flaw in the following simplistic analysis:

Anthropogenic global warming requires three assumptions or ifs to be valid:
1. there is continued global warming, not just a recent upward part of a cycle;
2. This is due to increasing CO2 levels;
3. This in turn is due to human activities.

My risk management expertise suggests that for AGW to be valid requires a multiplication of the three risks to result in a high value, eg IPCC puts the first at 100 percent and the second two combined at greater than 90 percent, giving a &#039;very likely&#039; conclusion.

However my medical expertise suggests that while calculating confidence levels for a series of points on a time graph is relatively easy, similar calculations for correlation factors is not, particularly when there are many inter-related effects and sometimes positive or negative feedback links between these factors.

How then can anyone give a greater than 90 percent confidence level for the second and third &#039;if&#039;s combined?

My simplistic guess is that with the recent stabilisation of the global temperature the first is likely to be a lot less than 100 percent. The second and third assumptions are widely disputed by many geologists and some climate scientists so would have confidence levels well below 80 percent. 

The combined risk is therefore likely to be less than 50 percent.  In which case what then?

I would appreciate an explanation of the flaw in my reasoning.  Lord Monckton simply said my mathematics is unsound but did not say why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Steve&#8217;s perspective in business auditing is useful.</p>
<p>I approach this climate debate from two other different perspectives: medical, where confidence levels are calculated quite accurately, and risk management.</p>
<p>My question is, can someone identify the flaw in the following simplistic analysis:</p>
<p>Anthropogenic global warming requires three assumptions or ifs to be valid:<br />
1. there is continued global warming, not just a recent upward part of a cycle;<br />
2. This is due to increasing CO2 levels;<br />
3. This in turn is due to human activities.</p>
<p>My risk management expertise suggests that for AGW to be valid requires a multiplication of the three risks to result in a high value, eg IPCC puts the first at 100 percent and the second two combined at greater than 90 percent, giving a &#8216;very likely&#8217; conclusion.</p>
<p>However my medical expertise suggests that while calculating confidence levels for a series of points on a time graph is relatively easy, similar calculations for correlation factors is not, particularly when there are many inter-related effects and sometimes positive or negative feedback links between these factors.</p>
<p>How then can anyone give a greater than 90 percent confidence level for the second and third &#8216;if&#8217;s combined?</p>
<p>My simplistic guess is that with the recent stabilisation of the global temperature the first is likely to be a lot less than 100 percent. The second and third assumptions are widely disputed by many geologists and some climate scientists so would have confidence levels well below 80 percent. </p>
<p>The combined risk is therefore likely to be less than 50 percent.  In which case what then?</p>
<p>I would appreciate an explanation of the flaw in my reasoning.  Lord Monckton simply said my mathematics is unsound but did not say why.</p>
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		<title>By: Speed</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-220686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Speed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/05/science-climate-emails-code-release&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Guardian.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;B&gt;If you&#039;re going to do good science, release the computer code too&lt;/B&gt;
&lt;I&gt;Programs do more and more scientific work - but you need to be able to check them as well as the original data, as the recent row over climate change documentation shows.&lt;/I&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/05/science-climate-emails-code-release" rel="nofollow">The Guardian.</a></p>
<p><b>If you&#8217;re going to do good science, release the computer code too</b><br />
<i>Programs do more and more scientific work &#8211; but you need to be able to check them as well as the original data, as the recent row over climate change documentation shows.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Is man caused Global Warming a Scientific fact? &#124; AGW Myths</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-217567</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Is man caused Global Warming a Scientific fact? &#124; AGW Myths]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This is not the norm for what is being passed off as &#8216;climate science&#8217; &#8211; see Disclosure and due diligence It is common sense to disregard any papers that have closed data, methods that can not be [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is not the norm for what is being passed off as &#8216;climate science&#8217; &#8211; see Disclosure and due diligence It is common sense to disregard any papers that have closed data, methods that can not be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Goreinch &#171; TWAWKI</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-212353</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Goreinch &#171; TWAWKI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The present system has been fatally compromised by the very organizations that resist Independent Review and Verification. The New Zealand effect in Australia,  Reality and models diverge, Met Office and the CRU data, Due diligence, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The present system has been fatally compromised by the very organizations that resist Independent Review and Verification. The New Zealand effect in Australia,  Reality and models diverge, Met Office and the CRU data, Due diligence, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barriers to Open Research &#171; SoftestPawn&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-207594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barriers to Open Research &#171; SoftestPawn&#8217;s Weblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Full disclosure is a basic requirement of openness. Such disclosure is not necessarily public; it just means you have to show your working &#8211; all your working &#8211; so that other people can come along and check it. [...]]]></description>
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