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	<title>Comments on: Some Thoughts on Disclosure and Due Diligence in Climate Science</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: More on Requests for Data &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-245468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More on Requests for Data &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] also posted some thoughts on these matters in a couple of op-eds at the National Post &#8211; one on due diligence, one on bringing the proxies up to date             This entry was written by Steve McIntyre, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also posted some thoughts on these matters in a couple of op-eds at the National Post &#8211; one on due diligence, one on bringing the proxies up to date             This entry was written by Steve McIntyre, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-224875</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Benjamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe Steve&#039;s perspective in business auditing is useful.

I approach this climate debate from two other different perspectives: medical, where confidence levels are calculated quite accurately, and risk management.

My question is, can someone identify the flaw in the following simplistic analysis:

Anthropogenic global warming requires three assumptions or ifs to be valid:
1. there is continued global warming, not just a recent upward part of a cycle;
2. This is due to increasing CO2 levels;
3. This in turn is due to human activities.

My risk management expertise suggests that for AGW to be valid requires a multiplication of the three risks to result in a high value, eg IPCC puts the first at 100 percent and the second two combined at greater than 90 percent, giving a &#039;very likely&#039; conclusion.

However my medical expertise suggests that while calculating confidence levels for a series of points on a time graph is relatively easy, similar calculations for correlation factors is not, particularly when there are many inter-related effects and sometimes positive or negative feedback links between these factors.

How then can anyone give a greater than 90 percent confidence level for the second and third &#039;if&#039;s combined?

My simplistic guess is that with the recent stabilisation of the global temperature the first is likely to be a lot less than 100 percent. The second and third assumptions are widely disputed by many geologists and some climate scientists so would have confidence levels well below 80 percent. 

The combined risk is therefore likely to be less than 50 percent.  In which case what then?

I would appreciate an explanation of the flaw in my reasoning.  Lord Monckton simply said my mathematics is unsound but did not say why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Steve&#8217;s perspective in business auditing is useful.</p>
<p>I approach this climate debate from two other different perspectives: medical, where confidence levels are calculated quite accurately, and risk management.</p>
<p>My question is, can someone identify the flaw in the following simplistic analysis:</p>
<p>Anthropogenic global warming requires three assumptions or ifs to be valid:<br />
1. there is continued global warming, not just a recent upward part of a cycle;<br />
2. This is due to increasing CO2 levels;<br />
3. This in turn is due to human activities.</p>
<p>My risk management expertise suggests that for AGW to be valid requires a multiplication of the three risks to result in a high value, eg IPCC puts the first at 100 percent and the second two combined at greater than 90 percent, giving a &#8216;very likely&#8217; conclusion.</p>
<p>However my medical expertise suggests that while calculating confidence levels for a series of points on a time graph is relatively easy, similar calculations for correlation factors is not, particularly when there are many inter-related effects and sometimes positive or negative feedback links between these factors.</p>
<p>How then can anyone give a greater than 90 percent confidence level for the second and third &#8216;if&#8217;s combined?</p>
<p>My simplistic guess is that with the recent stabilisation of the global temperature the first is likely to be a lot less than 100 percent. The second and third assumptions are widely disputed by many geologists and some climate scientists so would have confidence levels well below 80 percent. </p>
<p>The combined risk is therefore likely to be less than 50 percent.  In which case what then?</p>
<p>I would appreciate an explanation of the flaw in my reasoning.  Lord Monckton simply said my mathematics is unsound but did not say why.</p>
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		<title>By: Speed</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-220686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Speed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/05/science-climate-emails-code-release&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Guardian.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;B&gt;If you&#039;re going to do good science, release the computer code too&lt;/B&gt;
&lt;I&gt;Programs do more and more scientific work - but you need to be able to check them as well as the original data, as the recent row over climate change documentation shows.&lt;/I&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/05/science-climate-emails-code-release" rel="nofollow">The Guardian.</a></p>
<p><b>If you&#8217;re going to do good science, release the computer code too</b><br />
<i>Programs do more and more scientific work &#8211; but you need to be able to check them as well as the original data, as the recent row over climate change documentation shows.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Is man caused Global Warming a Scientific fact? &#124; AGW Myths</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-217567</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Is man caused Global Warming a Scientific fact? &#124; AGW Myths]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This is not the norm for what is being passed off as &#8216;climate science&#8217; &#8211; see Disclosure and due diligence It is common sense to disregard any papers that have closed data, methods that can not be [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is not the norm for what is being passed off as &#8216;climate science&#8217; &#8211; see Disclosure and due diligence It is common sense to disregard any papers that have closed data, methods that can not be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Goreinch &#171; TWAWKI</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-212353</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Goreinch &#171; TWAWKI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The present system has been fatally compromised by the very organizations that resist Independent Review and Verification. The New Zealand effect in Australia,  Reality and models diverge, Met Office and the CRU data, Due diligence, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The present system has been fatally compromised by the very organizations that resist Independent Review and Verification. The New Zealand effect in Australia,  Reality and models diverge, Met Office and the CRU data, Due diligence, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barriers to Open Research &#171; SoftestPawn&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-207594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barriers to Open Research &#171; SoftestPawn&#8217;s Weblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Full disclosure is a basic requirement of openness. Such disclosure is not necessarily public; it just means you have to show your working &#8211; all your working &#8211; so that other people can come along and check it. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Full disclosure is a basic requirement of openness. Such disclosure is not necessarily public; it just means you have to show your working &#8211; all your working &#8211; so that other people can come along and check it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Colbert</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-31891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Colbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,
 To the anti-Global Warming/Climate Change layman (me), you are a GOD! For Christ&#039;s sake, keep these fuckers honest! Try to keep &#039;em honest I mean.
 There&#039;s a world of regular people out there that know GW/CC is bullshit. We just don&#039;t have your talent, or your incredible way with words. Please continue to say what we would, if only we could. Bravo. Brav-fucking-O!
 Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
 To the anti-Global Warming/Climate Change layman (me), you are a GOD! For Christ&#8217;s sake, keep these fuckers honest! Try to keep &#8216;em honest I mean.<br />
 There&#8217;s a world of regular people out there that know GW/CC is bullshit. We just don&#8217;t have your talent, or your incredible way with words. Please continue to say what we would, if only we could. Bravo. Brav-fucking-O!<br />
 Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Shona</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-31889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-259995&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mikep (#119)&lt;/a&gt;,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Note also the assumption that you can get the data the authors are using..&lt;/blockquote&gt;


When I was doing O Level biology, it had to be appended to the paper.

Times seem to have changed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-259995" rel="nofollow">mikep (#119)</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>Note also the assumption that you can get the data the authors are using..</p></blockquote>
<p>When I was doing O Level biology, it had to be appended to the paper.</p>
<p>Times seem to have changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Humans Don&#8217;t Do Science &#171; SoftestPawn&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-31888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Humans Don&#8217;t Do Science &#171; SoftestPawn&#8217;s Weblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] let others have access to this (&#8221;full disclosure&#8220;) because, again, we expect to make mistakes, and so we need to let other people check every [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let others have access to this (&#8221;full disclosure&#8220;) because, again, we expect to make mistakes, and so we need to let other people check every [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Australian Conservative &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PMs should pause and cool down</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/02/14/some-thoughts-on-disclosure-and-due-diligence-in-climate-science/#comment-31887</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Australian Conservative &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PMs should pause and cool down]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] reviews, says the OxFam adviser, support the IPCC&#8217;s warmist theories. See Steve McIntyre on the disclosure and due diligence in climate science. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reviews, says the OxFam adviser, support the IPCC&#8217;s warmist theories. See Steve McIntyre on the disclosure and due diligence in climate science. [...]</p>
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