Comments on: Moberg #5: Arabian Sea glob. bulloides

By: Treydte, Moberg, Soon and Baliunas « Climate Audit

Treydte, Moberg, Soon and Baliunas « Climate Audit — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:41:44 +0000

[...] drew attention to the use of this record in Moberg here in February 2005 shortly after publication, pointing out: One of the two strongest contributors to [...]

By: Moberg’s G. Bulloides « Climate Audit

Moberg’s G. Bulloides « Climate Audit — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:23:19 +0000

[...] G. Bulloides Last year, when Moberg was published, I pointed out witha slightly arched eyebrow that one of the two most important contributors to any 20th century [...]

By: TCO

TCO — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:58:43 +0000

a. What do you mean by non-normal?
b. How do they bring this data into the grid cell computation? If you accept the tele-argument then there might be a much larger area that is hot when this small area is cold, no?
c. How does one deal with this small cold area? Sure the actual surface is colder, but the overall ocean (in depth) is warmer, no? (I’m “stirring” it). What matters? Could one compensate for CO2 warmth by stirrring the ocean? How much of a heat sink is there? Do you run out? sorry my questions so diffuse.
d. If I get your last point, they justify this series by the lack of a proxy near Oman but what it indicates is temp in India? Even if it is a valid proxy (via tele argument) one should consider it a proxy of that remote area, not the place where the data was gathered. For instance, if I sample radioactive nuclides for evidence of aboveground testing in the ice of the western Rockies, I’m not accounting for testing in Colorado. I’m accounting for testing in Neveda. And the tele argument might be quite legit. (Same thing with acid rain in New England reflecting distant factory releases of sulfates)

By: Steve McIntyre

Steve McIntyre — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:21:08 +0000

Ocean surface temperatures SST are the major component of the HadCRU temperature index. You wold think that an index of cold SST would first and foremost be construed as evidence of cold SST. The theory seems to be that there is a “tele-connection” betweeen cold SST offshore Oman and a warm NH average. However, their justification for this proxy was not the need for a tele-connected indicator for NH temperatures but the absence of a local proxy. I’m not saying that any of this makes sense: I think that it’s ridiculous.

Also the proxy is hugely non-normal.

By: TCO

TCO — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:17:00 +0000

So it indicates warm weather in the area in general but also cold temp at the sea surface? What are they interested in? total surface temp? ARe ocean surfaces included?