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	<title>Comments on: Bre-X: Is de Guzman Alive?</title>
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		<title>By: Xavier Nicola</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-207863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xavier Nicola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Substantially, the post is in reality the greatest on this noteworthy topic. I concur with your conclusions and will eagerly look forward to your future updates. Just saying thanks will not just be adequate, for the tremendous lucidity in your writing. I will immediately grab your rss feed to stay abreast of any updates. Solid work and much success in your business enterprise!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Substantially, the post is in reality the greatest on this noteworthy topic. I concur with your conclusions and will eagerly look forward to your future updates. Just saying thanks will not just be adequate, for the tremendous lucidity in your writing. I will immediately grab your rss feed to stay abreast of any updates. Solid work and much success in your business enterprise!</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-33748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never seen 24.  Is it any good?  I usually don&#039;t like TV shows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen 24.  Is it any good?  I usually don&#8217;t like TV shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-33747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louis Hissink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 11:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He committed suicide? Hmm, Steve, you have more &quot;close to source&quot; data than any of us, but for an operation the size of Bre-X, we have gofers, and the deep throats - geologists here being occasionally dientifiable as &quot;gofers&quot;.

Once you have finished demolishing the hockey stick have a very careful look at some of the diamond plays.

I feel that another Bre-X is in the wind, it is already there but no one has cottoned onto it, or, fallow ground is being expertly prepared for Son of Bre-X.

Localising it to Australia, I make it a rule of thumb that Stock Exchange Quarterly rerports should report &quot; facts&quot;. Hence if one is studying an operating mining operation, Qtr production figures for tons mined, valuable commodity recovered, and sales, (taking in account lag times for processing etc) should be easily typed into a suitabl;y designed spreadsheet.

Think of it as a matric or crosssword into which the empty cells need to be populated once mineral processing catches up etc, the usual mining and metallurgial facts which we in the mining industry accept as &quot;normal&quot;.

So when the &quot;Matrix&quot; cannot be filled completely from 2.5 years mining, one starts to wonder.

To make it simple, there are only two diamond producers in Oz.

:-()]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He committed suicide? Hmm, Steve, you have more &#8220;close to source&#8221; data than any of us, but for an operation the size of Bre-X, we have gofers, and the deep throats &#8211; geologists here being occasionally dientifiable as &#8220;gofers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Once you have finished demolishing the hockey stick have a very careful look at some of the diamond plays.</p>
<p>I feel that another Bre-X is in the wind, it is already there but no one has cottoned onto it, or, fallow ground is being expertly prepared for Son of Bre-X.</p>
<p>Localising it to Australia, I make it a rule of thumb that Stock Exchange Quarterly rerports should report &#8221; facts&#8221;. Hence if one is studying an operating mining operation, Qtr production figures for tons mined, valuable commodity recovered, and sales, (taking in account lag times for processing etc) should be easily typed into a suitabl;y designed spreadsheet.</p>
<p>Think of it as a matric or crosssword into which the empty cells need to be populated once mineral processing catches up etc, the usual mining and metallurgial facts which we in the mining industry accept as &#8220;normal&#8221;.</p>
<p>So when the &#8220;Matrix&#8221; cannot be filled completely from 2.5 years mining, one starts to wonder.</p>
<p>To make it simple, there are only two diamond producers in Oz.<br />
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		<title>By: Roger Pielke Jr.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-33746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Pielke Jr.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 21:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve- When you do this we&#039;ll be happy to either publish on our site or link to yours.  And of course we&#039;d be happy do the same for anyone else involved.  And yes, academia is a unique place!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve- When you do this we&#8217;ll be happy to either publish on our site or link to yours.  And of course we&#8217;d be happy do the same for anyone else involved.  And yes, academia is a unique place!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob McMillin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-33745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob McMillin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also more on this story at &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.canoe.ca/News/Sectors/Gold/2005/05/25/1055284.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;canoe.ca&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also more on this story at <a href="http://money.canoe.ca/News/Sectors/Gold/2005/05/25/1055284.html" rel="nofollow">canoe.ca</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-33744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 18:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Roger. Fair enough. You know the people, I don&#039;t. I&#039;m used to corporate situations, where press releases are pretty centralized and the purposes are to meet corporate objectives and obligations. The idea that someone from the bowels of the organization could instigate national press releases by the institution is a novel one to me, but I&#039;m getting used to many novel circumstances and certainly can&#039;t say that it doesn&#039;t happen at UCAR.

I often feel like an anthropologist in the land of academics, since I&#039;m not used to many strange customs that are second nature to academics, but quite unusual to a civilian.

I saw your interesting post about why protagonists were involved in the hockey stick debate and will try to post up my point of view. Now that I&#039;m engaged in the debate, it obviously affects my motives, but I&#039;m pretty objective about things and it&#039;s a good question.

Regards, Steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Roger. Fair enough. You know the people, I don&#8217;t. I&#8217;m used to corporate situations, where press releases are pretty centralized and the purposes are to meet corporate objectives and obligations. The idea that someone from the bowels of the organization could instigate national press releases by the institution is a novel one to me, but I&#8217;m getting used to many novel circumstances and certainly can&#8217;t say that it doesn&#8217;t happen at UCAR.</p>
<p>I often feel like an anthropologist in the land of academics, since I&#8217;m not used to many strange customs that are second nature to academics, but quite unusual to a civilian.</p>
<p>I saw your interesting post about why protagonists were involved in the hockey stick debate and will try to post up my point of view. Now that I&#8217;m engaged in the debate, it obviously affects my motives, but I&#8217;m pretty objective about things and it&#8217;s a good question.</p>
<p>Regards, Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pielke Jr.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-33743</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Pielke Jr.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having spent 8 years at UCAR/NCAR I worked close with their media folks.  Almost all of the time the motivation for a press release comes from the scientists and not the media group (UCAR is too big for the small media staff to know what everyone is up to).  The issuance of press releases by any organization is of course to publicize their good work, and UCAR is no different.  Being in the major media of course is useful come time to justify budgets and impact.

However, it strains credulity to think that the Ammann and Wahl press release had anything to do with interests in UCAR funding, or climate funding generally.  (Scientists do obviously have interests and these are important to consider in climate policy, see, e.g., this paper: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/2003.01.pdf)  The release of a press release for a paper submitted but not yet reviewed, with no other &quot;hook&quot; than being on the very same day that you fellows are giving your own press briefing in DC gives pretty strong evidence that the press release was a preemptory political tactic in the ongoing public battle over the meaning and significance of the hockey stick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having spent 8 years at UCAR/NCAR I worked close with their media folks.  Almost all of the time the motivation for a press release comes from the scientists and not the media group (UCAR is too big for the small media staff to know what everyone is up to).  The issuance of press releases by any organization is of course to publicize their good work, and UCAR is no different.  Being in the major media of course is useful come time to justify budgets and impact.</p>
<p>However, it strains credulity to think that the Ammann and Wahl press release had anything to do with interests in UCAR funding, or climate funding generally.  (Scientists do obviously have interests and these are important to consider in climate policy, see, e.g., this paper: <a href="http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/2003.01.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/2003.01.pdf</a>)  The release of a press release for a paper submitted but not yet reviewed, with no other &#8220;hook&#8221; than being on the very same day that you fellows are giving your own press briefing in DC gives pretty strong evidence that the press release was a preemptory political tactic in the ongoing public battle over the meaning and significance of the hockey stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-33742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 18:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of the big publicity came after MM05 was accepted by GRL.

There had been some publicity in fall 2004 after Richard Muller of Berkeley wrote a column in MIT Technology Review on our adventures with Nature. I had had phone interviews with reporters (Crok of Natuurwetenschap and Regalado of WSJ) prior to GRL acceptance - both of whom had got interested via the Muller article. Both were intrigued but wouldn&#039;t proceed until GRL acceptance in the case of Natuurwetenschap and actual publication in the case of WSJ. Other publicity is pretty much derivative from these 3 sources.

There was also publicity in fall 2003, but this was all after publication of our first E&amp;E article, not before.

Regards, Steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the big publicity came after MM05 was accepted by GRL.</p>
<p>There had been some publicity in fall 2004 after Richard Muller of Berkeley wrote a column in MIT Technology Review on our adventures with Nature. I had had phone interviews with reporters (Crok of Natuurwetenschap and Regalado of WSJ) prior to GRL acceptance &#8211; both of whom had got interested via the Muller article. Both were intrigued but wouldn&#8217;t proceed until GRL acceptance in the case of Natuurwetenschap and actual publication in the case of WSJ. Other publicity is pretty much derivative from these 3 sources.</p>
<p>There was also publicity in fall 2003, but this was all after publication of our first E&amp;E article, not before.</p>
<p>Regards, Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jankowski</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/05/25/bre-x-is-de-guzman-alive/#comment-33741</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jankowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 17:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Off-topic, but I find the Bre-X story fascinating.  The first time I heard of it was a few months back when you (Steve) brought it up.  I could not access the article you linked to, but I found this article from several years ago which touches upon the fact he could still be alive www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&amp;Params=M1ARTM0011386

Back on-topic, I find it quite premature and unusual to have a press release concerning a journal submission.  But I must ask - didn&#039;t the MM work get a lot of notoriety prior to publication thanks to the internet, or am I confused on the dates?

Nevertheless, I find it interesting that the jumps to claim &quot;validation&quot; came following a press release of a journal submission as opposed to an actual journal publication.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic, but I find the Bre-X story fascinating.  The first time I heard of it was a few months back when you (Steve) brought it up.  I could not access the article you linked to, but I found this article from several years ago which touches upon the fact he could still be alive <a href="http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&#038;Params=M1ARTM0011386" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&#038;Params=M1ARTM0011386</a></p>
<p>Back on-topic, I find it quite premature and unusual to have a press release concerning a journal submission.  But I must ask &#8211; didn&#8217;t the MM work get a lot of notoriety prior to publication thanks to the internet, or am I confused on the dates?</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I find it interesting that the jumps to claim &#8220;validation&#8221; came following a press release of a journal submission as opposed to an actual journal publication.</p>
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