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	<title>Comments on: “Full, True and Plain Disclosure” and Falsification</title>
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		<title>By: What Happened to Gerald Schatten? &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-280985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What Happened to Gerald Schatten? &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 03:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] about the failure of academics take withholding adverse results as seriously as they should in a 2005 CA post (long before the present controversy) as follows:  It’s hard to find much discussion of case [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the failure of academics take withholding adverse results as seriously as they should in a 2005 CA post (long before the present controversy) as follows:  It’s hard to find much discussion of case [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1, 2, and 3 are all shameful.  4 and 5 might be inadvertant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1, 2, and 3 are all shameful.  4 and 5 might be inadvertant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Snack</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Snack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Micahel, it&#039;s a bit fcar away for me, though I would certainly like to go, and if no one else did, ask Amman about his verification statistics and the other questions posed by Steve in the other thread. I would also like to ask if anyone there thought the Bristlecone Pines were responding to temperature increases, and if not, why were they included in the first place, with time for some semi-snide comments on the Gaspe Cedars, Polar Urals, and Tasmanian Huon&#039;s while about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micahel, it&#8217;s a bit fcar away for me, though I would certainly like to go, and if no one else did, ask Amman about his verification statistics and the other questions posed by Steve in the other thread. I would also like to ask if anyone there thought the Bristlecone Pines were responding to temperature increases, and if not, why were they included in the first place, with time for some semi-snide comments on the Gaspe Cedars, Polar Urals, and Tasmanian Huon&#8217;s while about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Mayson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Mayson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 01:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #36 $ #37  Sorry about the link - are you going to go Ed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #36 $ #37  Sorry about the link &#8211; are you going to go Ed?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Snack</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Snack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #37, thanks, that is the trick, should have realised by looking that a &quot;)&quot; doesn&#039;t normally belong after &quot;.html&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #37, thanks, that is the trick, should have realised by looking that a &#8220;)&#8221; doesn&#8217;t normally belong after &#8220;.html&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Sperry</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Sperry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #36, it&#039;s the pesky last character, Ed.  Delete the end parethesis in Michael&#039;s link and it works OK.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #36, it&#8217;s the pesky last character, Ed.  Delete the end parethesis in Michael&#8217;s link and it works OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Snack</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34211</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Snack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #34, Michael, page not found ? Something happened or a problem with the url ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #34, Michael, page not found ? Something happened or a problem with the url ?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray Duffin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Murray Duffin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a few personal observations re glaciers.
The alpine glacier surface will soften and melt under bright sunshine, even when the surface air temperature is some degrees below the freezing point. Conversely, the surface will remain crisp under heavy overcast, even when the surface air temperature only a few inches above the ice is modestly above the melting point. An increase in sunshine due to reduction in cloud cover is more likely to cause glacier retreat than a temperature increase of &lt;1 degree C. An increase in sunshine due to reduced cloud cover is also likely to be coincident with a reduction in precipitation. Thus solar activity is more likely to be the cause of glacier retreat than is AGW. Swiss alpine glaciers have been in retreat since ca 1850, and in terms of length, most of the retreat took place well before 1970. However part of the reason for a slowing of the retreat is that the face keeps moving to higher altitudes, where the temperature change (decrease) is quite significant. Alaskan glaciers had there maximum advance about 1700, with Captain Cooke having noted that the ice extended to the sea, ie no open fjords. Most of these retreats were at sea level, and in terms of volume (if memory serves) &gt;80% of the retreat took place before 1950. Of course, again the retreat would be expected to slow when the glacier face finally got above sea level. As has been noted above the UHI effect is taken by most skeptics to have exaggerated the reported average temperature increase, not to have accounted for it. There is no obvious cause and effect link between AGW and glacier retreat and UHI has nothing to do with the argument. Murray Duffin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few personal observations re glaciers.<br />
The alpine glacier surface will soften and melt under bright sunshine, even when the surface air temperature is some degrees below the freezing point. Conversely, the surface will remain crisp under heavy overcast, even when the surface air temperature only a few inches above the ice is modestly above the melting point. An increase in sunshine due to reduction in cloud cover is more likely to cause glacier retreat than a temperature increase of &lt;1 degree C. An increase in sunshine due to reduced cloud cover is also likely to be coincident with a reduction in precipitation. Thus solar activity is more likely to be the cause of glacier retreat than is AGW. Swiss alpine glaciers have been in retreat since ca 1850, and in terms of length, most of the retreat took place well before 1970. However part of the reason for a slowing of the retreat is that the face keeps moving to higher altitudes, where the temperature change (decrease) is quite significant. Alaskan glaciers had there maximum advance about 1700, with Captain Cooke having noted that the ice extended to the sea, ie no open fjords. Most of these retreats were at sea level, and in terms of volume (if memory serves) &gt;80% of the retreat took place before 1950. Of course, again the retreat would be expected to slow when the glacier face finally got above sea level. As has been noted above the UHI effect is taken by most skeptics to have exaggerated the reported average temperature increase, not to have accounted for it. There is no obvious cause and effect link between AGW and glacier retreat and UHI has nothing to do with the argument. Murray Duffin</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Mayson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Mayson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 06:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slightly off topic:
July 8, 2005 -
Joint CGD-ISSE &amp; CIRES Seminar - Panel Discussion &quot;Hockeysticks, the tragedy of the commons and sustainability of climate science.&quot;
Panelists: Warren Washington, Caspar Amman and Doug Nychka, NCAR, and Roger Pielke Jr.

(see http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000477upcoming_talk_and_pa.html)
It would be great if someone frequenting this blog could attend and report!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic:<br />
July 8, 2005 -<br />
Joint CGD-ISSE &amp; CIRES Seminar &#8211; Panel Discussion &#8220;Hockeysticks, the tragedy of the commons and sustainability of climate science.&#8221;<br />
Panelists: Warren Washington, Caspar Amman and Doug Nychka, NCAR, and Roger Pielke Jr.</p>
<p>(see <a href="http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000477upcoming_talk_and_pa.html" rel="nofollow">http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000477upcoming_talk_and_pa.html</a>)<br />
It would be great if someone frequenting this blog could attend and report!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Bell</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/06/28/full-true-and-plain-disclsoure-and-falsification/#comment-34208</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 02:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firstly, I&#039;ve been one of the authors on some papers published in Nature and, unlike Steve, I&#039;ve never been asked to sign an affidavit. This must have been introduced fairly recently and I wonder why.
Secondly, does everyone realise that there is a cost for publishing in many American scientific journals - something of the order of $100 per page. This can lead to people being included as authors of papers simply because they have the funds to pay the charges while the true authors don&#039;t.. I mention this because some journals, quite reasonably, want the author list restricted to those who did the science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, I&#8217;ve been one of the authors on some papers published in Nature and, unlike Steve, I&#8217;ve never been asked to sign an affidavit. This must have been introduced fairly recently and I wonder why.<br />
Secondly, does everyone realise that there is a cost for publishing in many American scientific journals &#8211; something of the order of $100 per page. This can lead to people being included as authors of papers simply because they have the funds to pay the charges while the true authors don&#8217;t.. I mention this because some journals, quite reasonably, want the author list restricted to those who did the science.</p>
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