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	<title>Comments on: Conflict of Interest #1</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hunter&#039;s tendentious attacks on Steve are silly.  He still hasn&#039;t shown one place where Steve lied in the service of his Exxon masters.  And I wish Steve were getting paid.  Or were getting the 8mil of Federal funds that one of his opponents got.  Instead he has to dick around fixing messed up paragraphs from the blogging software.  Hunter&#039;s got some nerve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunter&#8217;s tendentious attacks on Steve are silly.  He still hasn&#8217;t shown one place where Steve lied in the service of his Exxon masters.  And I wish Steve were getting paid.  Or were getting the 8mil of Federal funds that one of his opponents got.  Instead he has to dick around fixing messed up paragraphs from the blogging software.  Hunter&#8217;s got some nerve.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, you said:

&gt; So that there is no doubt, I will re-iterate that your taunts contained untrue
&gt; observations.

What then were these &quot;untrue observations&quot;?

John Hunter]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you said:</p>
<p>&gt; So that there is no doubt, I will re-iterate that your taunts contained untrue<br />
&gt; observations.</p>
<p>What then were these &#8220;untrue observations&#8221;?</p>
<p>John Hunter</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Mayson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34429</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Mayson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We all eagerly wait for Hunter to spend the week/two that he says that he will require to understand the statistical issues involved in our articles. Maybe Hunter will be able to confirm to us soon that he has done so.&quot;

I doubt that, even if capable, he really wants to understand the statistical issues - too threatening to a closed mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We all eagerly wait for Hunter to spend the week/two that he says that he will require to understand the statistical issues involved in our articles. Maybe Hunter will be able to confirm to us soon that he has done so.&#8221;</p>
<p>I doubt that, even if capable, he really wants to understand the statistical issues &#8211; too threatening to a closed mind.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(snip of various taunts by Hunter)
Finally, since I have had no response from you indicating anything in my previous posting (15 July) was untrue, I am assuming the facts were correct, even though you claimed on this site that &quot;some observations .....are ..... incorrect&quot; -- another misrepresentation.

&lt;strong&gt;Steve: &lt;/strong&gt;  Can anyone explain to me the logic of someone who can simultaneously write that I had written that observations were &quot;incorrect&quot; and then claim that I had made no response indicating that anything was &quot;untrue&quot;.  So that there is no doubt, I will  re-iterate that your taunts contained untrue observations. We all eagerly wait for Hunter to spend the week/two that he says that he will require to understand the statistical issues involved in our articles.  Maybe Hunter will be able to confirm to us soon that he has done so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(snip of various taunts by Hunter)<br />
Finally, since I have had no response from you indicating anything in my previous posting (15 July) was untrue, I am assuming the facts were correct, even though you claimed on this site that &#8220;some observations &#8230;..are &#8230;.. incorrect&#8221; &#8212; another misrepresentation.</p>
<p><strong>Steve: </strong>  Can anyone explain to me the logic of someone who can simultaneously write that I had written that observations were &#8220;incorrect&#8221; and then claim that I had made no response indicating that anything was &#8220;untrue&#8221;.  So that there is no doubt, I will  re-iterate that your taunts contained untrue observations. We all eagerly wait for Hunter to spend the week/two that he says that he will require to understand the statistical issues involved in our articles.  Maybe Hunter will be able to confirm to us soon that he has done so.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The new blog format makes it unclear what is a comment and what a comment to a comment, may I suggest to distinguish them using different fonts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new blog format makes it unclear what is a comment and what a comment to a comment, may I suggest to distinguish them using different fonts?</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34426</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(snip)
Hunter has made a long diatribe against me in relation to my C.V. accusing me of reticence. I have explicitly said that I am not reticent and that I will post up info in a reasonable period of time, but I&#039;m trying to finish off some other things as well that presently have priority and this is also vacation time in Canada.  Hunter has said that he is recording his taunts. Hunter also said that he has demonstrated interest in statistical issues, but I think that the more pertinent statement on this is that he did feel it worthwhile to spend the week/two weeks in order to learn enough statistics to contribute to the statistical issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(snip)<br />
Hunter has made a long diatribe against me in relation to my C.V. accusing me of reticence. I have explicitly said that I am not reticent and that I will post up info in a reasonable period of time, but I&#8217;m trying to finish off some other things as well that presently have priority and this is also vacation time in Canada.  Hunter has said that he is recording his taunts. Hunter also said that he has demonstrated interest in statistical issues, but I think that the more pertinent statement on this is that he did feel it worthwhile to spend the week/two weeks in order to learn enough statistics to contribute to the statistical issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jankowski</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jankowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As regards the statistics, I expect I could learn enough in a week or two to make some valid contributions to the Mann/McIntyre debate. But why should I spend that time when there are other important things to do?&quot;

I seem to recall you practically demanding for Steve to perform Monte Carlo simulations, produce a CV, etc, as part of recent discussions here.  Do you think that maybe he had &quot;other important things to do,&quot; too?

I think you&#039;d benefit much more from a statistical education (not only to &quot;make some valid contributions to the Mann/McIntyre debate&quot; but in your professional endeavors, too), rather than spending so much time googling Steve&#039;s background.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As regards the statistics, I expect I could learn enough in a week or two to make some valid contributions to the Mann/McIntyre debate. But why should I spend that time when there are other important things to do?&#8221;</p>
<p>I seem to recall you practically demanding for Steve to perform Monte Carlo simulations, produce a CV, etc, as part of recent discussions here.  Do you think that maybe he had &#8220;other important things to do,&#8221; too?</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;d benefit much more from a statistical education (not only to &#8220;make some valid contributions to the Mann/McIntyre debate&#8221; but in your professional endeavors, too), rather than spending so much time googling Steve&#8217;s background.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(snip)
&lt;strong&gt;Steve: &lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;ve snipped some observations by John Hunter about Northwest Exploration, a private company, which are either incorrect, pertain to irrelevant companies or do not contradict anything that I&#039;ve said.  Hunter&#039;s been foraging around the internet trying to show that this company has major fossil fuel interests, which it doesn&#039;t, nor does CGX Energy. CGX Energy has exploration licences offshore Guyana, which I think are really excellent exploration prospects, but they are prospects only and not reserves or in production. There&#039;s no mystery to any of this.
I&#039;ve snipped Hunter&#039;s  comments themselves because untrue statements on the internet have a habit of taking on a life of their own. I obviously can&#039;t stop this elsewhere, but I took the decision not to fuel it here.  Hunter has  shown no interest in any statistical  issue raised in our articles and has focussed entirely on personal issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(snip)<br />
<strong>Steve: </strong> I&#8217;ve snipped some observations by John Hunter about Northwest Exploration, a private company, which are either incorrect, pertain to irrelevant companies or do not contradict anything that I&#8217;ve said.  Hunter&#8217;s been foraging around the internet trying to show that this company has major fossil fuel interests, which it doesn&#8217;t, nor does CGX Energy. CGX Energy has exploration licences offshore Guyana, which I think are really excellent exploration prospects, but they are prospects only and not reserves or in production. There&#8217;s no mystery to any of this.<br />
I&#8217;ve snipped Hunter&#8217;s  comments themselves because untrue statements on the internet have a habit of taking on a life of their own. I obviously can&#8217;t stop this elsewhere, but I took the decision not to fuel it here.  Hunter has  shown no interest in any statistical  issue raised in our articles and has focussed entirely on personal issues.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve: This thread is entitled &quot;Conflict of Interest&quot;. It is one that you (not I) started.
I am giving you the opportunity to convince me and others that you do not have a conflict of interest concerning the very public commentary you are making about the conduct of climate science.

In Australia, and in many other places, the affiliation given along with the authorship
of a paper generally indicates the umberalla under which the work was done -- i.e. that this is the organisation which gave both moral and funding support to the work and also
approved of its findings (in my own organisation, papers have to undergo a quite
strict internal refereeing procedure prior to being submitted to a journal). Now, your GRL paper recorded your affiliation as &quot;Northwest Exploration Company&quot;, a company of which you have been President. I find this rather strange, as you continually state that your &quot;climate&quot; work is entirely self-funded. Can you please clarify the situation and indicate exactly what support you have had from Northwest Exploration Company over the past few years -- after all, they are apparently the organisation responsible for your GRL paper.

&lt;strong&gt;Steve:&lt;/strong&gt;  It&#039;s a private company and has no employees.  A few posts ago you accused this company of having substantial fossil fuel interests -  another example of you throwing around innuendo when you had no basis for making any assertions at all in the matter.  It has some assets from business that I&#039;ve done in the past. When you file with GRL, there&#039;s a compulsory field for institution, which I couldn&#039;t leave blank.  So I used the company.  If I&#039;m doing climate research, I&#039;m not doing business.   That&#039;s why this costs me money and since the market for exploration stocks has been pretty good, my inactivity has cost me quite a lot of money in opportunity cost.  If I didn&#039;t have any assets, I obviously wouldn&#039;t be able to do this.   It irritates me like crazy for some guy like Mann who&#039;s inhaling public funds to send scurrilous and untrue statements about funding to try to stop publication of our articles. I wish that you would demonstrate any substantive interest in any of the issues raised here or showed any inclination to correct blatant misrepresentations at realclimate.  I&#039;m not averse to making money and if someone wanted to pay me to do this, I&#039;d be happy. I&#039;d still do things the same way.

Also you have failed to attend or criticize the proven conflict of interest that was the topic of this post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: This thread is entitled &#8220;Conflict of Interest&#8221;. It is one that you (not I) started.<br />
I am giving you the opportunity to convince me and others that you do not have a conflict of interest concerning the very public commentary you are making about the conduct of climate science.</p>
<p>In Australia, and in many other places, the affiliation given along with the authorship<br />
of a paper generally indicates the umberalla under which the work was done &#8212; i.e. that this is the organisation which gave both moral and funding support to the work and also<br />
approved of its findings (in my own organisation, papers have to undergo a quite<br />
strict internal refereeing procedure prior to being submitted to a journal). Now, your GRL paper recorded your affiliation as &#8220;Northwest Exploration Company&#8221;, a company of which you have been President. I find this rather strange, as you continually state that your &#8220;climate&#8221; work is entirely self-funded. Can you please clarify the situation and indicate exactly what support you have had from Northwest Exploration Company over the past few years &#8212; after all, they are apparently the organisation responsible for your GRL paper.</p>
<p><strong>Steve:</strong>  It&#8217;s a private company and has no employees.  A few posts ago you accused this company of having substantial fossil fuel interests &#8211;  another example of you throwing around innuendo when you had no basis for making any assertions at all in the matter.  It has some assets from business that I&#8217;ve done in the past. When you file with GRL, there&#8217;s a compulsory field for institution, which I couldn&#8217;t leave blank.  So I used the company.  If I&#8217;m doing climate research, I&#8217;m not doing business.   That&#8217;s why this costs me money and since the market for exploration stocks has been pretty good, my inactivity has cost me quite a lot of money in opportunity cost.  If I didn&#8217;t have any assets, I obviously wouldn&#8217;t be able to do this.   It irritates me like crazy for some guy like Mann who&#8217;s inhaling public funds to send scurrilous and untrue statements about funding to try to stop publication of our articles. I wish that you would demonstrate any substantive interest in any of the issues raised here or showed any inclination to correct blatant misrepresentations at realclimate.  I&#8217;m not averse to making money and if someone wanted to pay me to do this, I&#8217;d be happy. I&#8217;d still do things the same way.</p>
<p>Also you have failed to attend or criticize the proven conflict of interest that was the topic of this post.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/07/09/conflict-of-interest-1/#comment-34422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve:

You say:

&gt; You&#039;ve been hanging around this site for a long time.
&gt; If you can learn enough in a week to contribute, then
&gt; why don&#039;t you do so?

(a) I didn&#039;t say &quot;a week&quot;, I said &quot;a week or two&quot; (two can play at nitpicking)

(b) The sentence following your comment gave you your answer:

&gt; I would have to be convinced that your points are
&gt; important and not just nit-picking &quot;¢&#039;¬? which is why
&gt; it would be useful to know where you are coming from.

-- so far, you have not convinced me that it would be worth my time.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>You say:</p>
<p>&gt; You&#8217;ve been hanging around this site for a long time.<br />
&gt; If you can learn enough in a week to contribute, then<br />
&gt; why don&#8217;t you do so?</p>
<p>(a) I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;a week&#8221;, I said &#8220;a week or two&#8221; (two can play at nitpicking)</p>
<p>(b) The sentence following your comment gave you your answer:</p>
<p>&gt; I would have to be convinced that your points are<br />
&gt; important and not just nit-picking &#8220;¢&#8217;¬? which is why<br />
&gt; it would be useful to know where you are coming from.</p>
<p>&#8211; so far, you have not convinced me that it would be worth my time.</p>
<p>(snip)</p>
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