New Nature Study on Peer Review

Nature has published a ground-breaking new study of peer review.

Chimps show sign of culture


Chimpanzees stick to the majority behaviour of their peers.

Nature 21 August 2005

I know, I know… but I thought it was fun.


14 Comments

  1. Posted Aug 23, 2005 at 8:19 PM | Permalink

    So, do you have any other sock puppets besides “Nigel Persuad”?

  2. John G. Bell
    Posted Aug 23, 2005 at 8:29 PM | Permalink

    Good news Steve. According to the IPCC you might avoid testing out as a chimp.

  3. joe c
    Posted Aug 24, 2005 at 1:09 AM | Permalink

    Tim:
    In the interests of full disclosure I am the sock puppet Tim outed the other day.

    Tim, why are you so obsessed with socks and other other laundry. Worry about what a person has to say rather than who said what. Seriously, you are showing tendencies of disturbed bahaviour.

    One other thing. It is interesting how you allow lefty posters to wear any name/ handle they see fit. But someone who disagrees with you is not ok. Grow up and stop behaving like a cry baby.

    Seriously, you are starting to remind me of Seinfeld’s the Soup Nazi. “you disagree with what I say? Get outta my shop.. err blog”.

    Your pen pal George Costanza. Sorry, I mean Joe, or S. Brid, or the pessimist ordavid curry

    Put the “Global Warming Guidebook for University Lecturers” down and read something on relaxtion/ breathing. It really works. I do it everytime I read yoour blog!

  4. joe c
    Posted Aug 24, 2005 at 1:21 AM | Permalink

    Oh, I forgot to disclose that I was also the Pat Davids posting on the Karma piece.

    You didn’t pick that one up, Tim, so I thought I would help.

    John, I thought of a better caption for the pic.

    “Tim awaiting accpetance letters from Ivy League Schools”.

    Tim, you tried excusing yourself for Dowdifying Andrew Bolt’s piece by saying it was irony and so I thought I would try it myself. ( Andrew Bolt is a conservative columnist in an Australian newspaper).

    If you are offended, Tim, I apologise, but unlike you I won’t take it back.

  5. Peter Hearnden
    Posted Aug 24, 2005 at 2:02 AM | Permalink

    Steve, so taking the mick is now offical policy here, and is thus to be allowed by all?

    How about another caption for the picture: ‘The organ grinders monkey composes his latest brilliant post’? Fun? Acceptable? We’ll see. I think a flame war is born :(

  6. joe c
    Posted Aug 24, 2005 at 2:24 AM | Permalink

    Peter;

    The pic was a joke. It should be funny to anyone who opens it up. It’s called irony. It was Mr. Seinfeld-Soupnazi who started things off talking about dirty laundry. He seem to be the one wound up tighter than a drum. He seem to think socks and muppets or whatever ought to go in front of the grand jury.

    You need to relax as well. And stop pretending this star wars 1.

    Tim: I heard that Christy’s London is doing an Auction on IP addresses. As you seem to have the biggest collection in the history of the internet, maybe you wanna give them a buzz.
    That’s a jok again Peter. Relax.

  7. Peter Hearnden
    Posted Aug 24, 2005 at 3:38 AM | Permalink

    Re #6. I make the point that being the butt isn’t funny. Otoh, you clearly didn’t get my joke! Perhaps you’re disturbed?

  8. Posted Aug 24, 2005 at 4:13 AM | Permalink

    Steve,

    Excellent.

    Reminds me of Wooleen Station in the West Central West Australia recently when peer group pressure also was evident in the behaviour of 25 lambs, (mix of ewes and rams). 1 or 2 however didn’t, and shows that even sheep can sometimes behave unexpectedly.

    Actually peer group pressure seems to be a based on some rather subtle pyschological factors as I recall some experimental data on groups of students (US study) who were put in groups where normally conflicting opinions would have individually resulted in conflicting assessments of an issue. Say 7 believed A was true, and 3 B was true. (In fact B is true and A false). Put the 7 and 3 together, and ask for a group assessment of whether A or B was true, the 3 who previously asserted B was true, changed their position and sided with the majority 7 and stated that A was true.

    I think it was referred to in Michael Talbot’s book “The Holographic Universe” for those interested in chasing this up.

    I’ll leave the rest hanging in the air, so to speak, but one cannot be that harsh on the peer review system in light of this experimental data. The problem of course is that being unaware of this factor, dense peers seem not to understand.

    Reminds me of a comment made by Nobel Laureat Hannes Alfven that the problem with science these days is that there are too many scientists.

  9. Posted Aug 24, 2005 at 4:16 AM | Permalink

    Apologies for a clumsy sentence, re#8. Long day and I go bush tomorrow.

  10. Posted Aug 24, 2005 at 8:30 AM | Permalink

    Thanks for the response! I’ve newly done a PCA analysis on lake chemistry with the data scattered on several different places… couldn’t afford to even get all… thou I’m in the little league! :)

    Well good luck then, lets hope there is no global warming… but I would not bet on it!

  11. John Cross
    Posted Aug 28, 2005 at 8:35 AM | Permalink

    Joe C: I find your comment “But someone who disagrees with you is not ok. Grow up and stop behaving like a cry baby.” pretty ironic when made on this site. A while ago, Steve posted my real name when I when I tried to engage John A. about some comments he had made on this blog.

    Regards,

    John

  12. John G. Bell
    Posted Aug 28, 2005 at 8:37 AM | Permalink

    Seems like “The Day After Tomorrow II” can be made under budget. Just rush a camera crew to New Orleans… What are the odds? I don’t think the politicos will be more rational after this disaster do you? Lets hope they rise above themselves. Steve, you are doing great work!

  13. John G. Bell
    Posted Aug 28, 2005 at 1:50 PM | Permalink

    Remember what the earthquake did to Somoza? Bush better move in a very public way. They should be sending troops down to New Orleans right now. Where are all these people going to live. What a way to have Iraq fall out of the news.

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