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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: tsumami</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37890</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is he not once again dismissing a whole branch of climate science out of hand.

Oh yeah =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is he not once again dismissing a whole branch of climate science out of hand.</p>
<p>Oh yeah =)</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anyone have the Q and A text?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone have the Q and A text?</p>
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		<title>By: per</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37888</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Paul
&lt;blockquote&gt;..., Crichton bundles up the whole of climate science into one bad bunch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

it is just worth pointing out that Crichton&#039;s evidence is the opposite of this; he specifically says:
&lt;blockquote&gt;...I am not casting aspersions on the motives or fair-mindedness of climate scientists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that is a fairly clear example of the deep chasm between your &quot;implications&quot;, and the text of what Crichton actually said.
yours
per]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Paul</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;, Crichton bundles up the whole of climate science into one bad bunch.</p></blockquote>
<p>it is just worth pointing out that Crichton&#8217;s evidence is the opposite of this; he specifically says:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;I am not casting aspersions on the motives or fair-mindedness of climate scientists.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that is a fairly clear example of the deep chasm between your &#8220;implications&#8221;, and the text of what Crichton actually said.<br />
yours<br />
per</p>
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		<title>By: per</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37887</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks to paul H
http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks to paul H<br />
<a href="http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/</a></p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anyone have the chricton testimony text?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone have the chricton testimony text?</p>
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		<title>By: per</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37885</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[per]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Paul
it is worth noting that the three &quot;implications&quot; you have drawn are not related to anything in the speech.
I note you have been caught out selectively quoting:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;are their predictions [climate models] of any use to policymakers? I would argue they are not&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;sounds bad, till you realise that it is prefaced in the speech by:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;For example, the UN Third Assessment Report defines general circulation climate models as unverifiable. &lt;strong&gt;If that&#039;s true&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
so the answer to your question:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Is he not once again dismissing a whole branch of climate science out of hand.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
is NO, and his evidence goes nowhere near that.

It is interesting to see that you use selective quotation and mis-representation as an argument.
yours
per]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Paul<br />
it is worth noting that the three &#8220;implications&#8221; you have drawn are not related to anything in the speech.<br />
I note you have been caught out selectively quoting:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;are their predictions [climate models] of any use to policymakers? I would argue they are not&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>sounds bad, till you realise that it is prefaced in the speech by:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For example, the UN Third Assessment Report defines general circulation climate models as unverifiable. <strong>If that&#8217;s true</strong>,&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>so the answer to your question:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is he not once again dismissing a whole branch of climate science out of hand.</p></blockquote>
<p>is NO, and his evidence goes nowhere near that.</p>
<p>It is interesting to see that you use selective quotation and mis-representation as an argument.<br />
yours<br />
per</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #96:  I have some interest in the medical examples on a couple of fronts.  A benchmark case for access to medical data has been the Nancy Oliveri case in Toronto, where there was an attempt to withhold data. This specific case led to new benchmarks in which the big journals (New England etc.) required investigators to table experimental protocols with the journals AHEAD of time if they wanted to publish in that big journal. This would be a good step in climate science: Jacoby couldn&#039;t go around after the fact deciding what data to report.

Nancy Oliveri&#039;s lawyer is another Toronto Mc - Jim McDonald, who&#039;s a close friend of ours, so I&#039;ve followed Oliveri&#039;s many legal battles with interest. The protocols for medical review articles (&quot;Evidence-Based Medicine&quot;) have been heavily contributed to in southern Ontario (e.g. Guyatt). &quot;Skepticism&quot; was a term originally associated with David Hume in Scotland and maybe some skeptical traditions persist in the Scottish diaspora within Ontario.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #96:  I have some interest in the medical examples on a couple of fronts.  A benchmark case for access to medical data has been the Nancy Oliveri case in Toronto, where there was an attempt to withhold data. This specific case led to new benchmarks in which the big journals (New England etc.) required investigators to table experimental protocols with the journals AHEAD of time if they wanted to publish in that big journal. This would be a good step in climate science: Jacoby couldn&#8217;t go around after the fact deciding what data to report.</p>
<p>Nancy Oliveri&#8217;s lawyer is another Toronto Mc &#8211; Jim McDonald, who&#8217;s a close friend of ours, so I&#8217;ve followed Oliveri&#8217;s many legal battles with interest. The protocols for medical review articles (&#8220;Evidence-Based Medicine&#8221;) have been heavily contributed to in southern Ontario (e.g. Guyatt). &#8220;Skepticism&#8221; was a term originally associated with David Hume in Scotland and maybe some skeptical traditions persist in the Scottish diaspora within Ontario.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahner</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Bahner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Single Stage to orbit. The way God and Heinlein intended it.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was after reading Heinlein&#039;s &quot;The Moon is a Harsh Mistress,&quot; circa 1979, that I came up with the idea of a space elevator.

It was only many years later that I heard it had been suggested decades before.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Single Stage to orbit. The way God and Heinlein intended it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It was after reading Heinlein&#8217;s &#8220;The Moon is a Harsh Mistress,&#8221; circa 1979, that I came up with the idea of a space elevator.</p>
<p>It was only many years later that I heard it had been suggested decades before.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37882</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #96: Dear Michael, thank you for dropping by. We were very flattered that you cited us in your testimony.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #96: Dear Michael, thank you for dropping by. We were very flattered that you cited us in your testimony.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dardinger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/09/29/crichton-at-senate-epw-committee/#comment-37881</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Dardinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Paul,

Just which of the proxy-based temperature reconstruction papers are worth more than the paper they&#039;re printed on and why do you say so given what&#039;s been presented on this site?  In particular do you agree or disagree with the assertion that bristlecome pines are not useful temperature proxies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Paul,</p>
<p>Just which of the proxy-based temperature reconstruction papers are worth more than the paper they&#8217;re printed on and why do you say so given what&#8217;s been presented on this site?  In particular do you agree or disagree with the assertion that bristlecome pines are not useful temperature proxies?</p>
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