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	<title>Comments on: UMass Magazine on Bradley</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Gavin and the PC Stories &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-330112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gavin and the PC Stories &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] let&#039;s turning back the clock a little. As many readers know, some time ago, coauthor Bradley credited Mann with &quot;originating new mathematical approaches that were crucial to identifying strong trends&quot;. One [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let&#039;s turning back the clock a little. As many readers know, some time ago, coauthor Bradley credited Mann with &quot;originating new mathematical approaches that were crucial to identifying strong trends&quot;. One [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kennedy, Editor of Science, on PBS &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-247545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kennedy, Editor of Science, on PBS &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 18:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on the &quot;new statistical approach&quot; in the UMass magazine interview as follows (discussed here): Bradley credits Mann with originating new mathematical approaches that were crucial to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on the &quot;new statistical approach&quot; in the UMass magazine interview as follows (discussed here): Bradley credits Mann with originating new mathematical approaches that were crucial to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kurye</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-225749</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you very much. succesfull article]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you very much. succesfull article</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-38818</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no appointment or office with the George Marshall Institute, either as a &quot;contributing writer&quot; or otherwise.  I have made two presentations in Washington at a meeting room on Capitol Hill in Washington co-sponsored by the George Marshall Institute (one of which was attended by David Appell). My travel expenses were paid, but I did not receive an honorarium or fee for the presentation.

I have no objection to being paid and would prefer to be paid rather than to be doing this gratis. Throughout my life, I&#039;ve made a living by earning money. However, my climate research has been done at a very considerable financial sacrifice because I could otherwise be making money. I notice that lots of academics funded by NSF are doing very nicely, thank you very much.

While I have made the financial sacrifice, I don&#039;t believe that I have an obligation to do so. If, in the future, someone believes that it&#039;s worthwhile to fund this research, it would not be &quot;bought&quot; research. I&#039;d still say what I thought.  If someone paid me some money for a presentation, it in no way begins to compensate me for the cost of not being at the table to do mining deals in what&#039;s been a great market for speculative stocks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no appointment or office with the George Marshall Institute, either as a &#8220;contributing writer&#8221; or otherwise.  I have made two presentations in Washington at a meeting room on Capitol Hill in Washington co-sponsored by the George Marshall Institute (one of which was attended by David Appell). My travel expenses were paid, but I did not receive an honorarium or fee for the presentation.</p>
<p>I have no objection to being paid and would prefer to be paid rather than to be doing this gratis. Throughout my life, I&#8217;ve made a living by earning money. However, my climate research has been done at a very considerable financial sacrifice because I could otherwise be making money. I notice that lots of academics funded by NSF are doing very nicely, thank you very much.</p>
<p>While I have made the financial sacrifice, I don&#8217;t believe that I have an obligation to do so. If, in the future, someone believes that it&#8217;s worthwhile to fund this research, it would not be &#8220;bought&#8221; research. I&#8217;d still say what I thought.  If someone paid me some money for a presentation, it in no way begins to compensate me for the cost of not being at the table to do mining deals in what&#8217;s been a great market for speculative stocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Norman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-38817</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Willis,

I believe it was John A who initiated this particular thread by saying: &lt;blockquote&gt;No-one has a greater vested interest both professional and financial in the veracity of the Hockey Stick than Bradley himself and the environmental pressure groups that pay for RealClimate&#039;s hosting and bandwidth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Coop is just playing along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis,</p>
<p>I believe it was John A who initiated this particular thread by saying:<br />
<blockquote>No-one has a greater vested interest both professional and financial in the veracity of the Hockey Stick than Bradley himself and the environmental pressure groups that pay for RealClimate&#8217;s hosting and bandwidth.</p></blockquote>
<p>Coop is just playing along.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis Eschenbach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-38816</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willis Eschenbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #32. Coop, thanks for posting. What difference does it make who Steve is or who he works for? All of these types of questions are merely red herrings, designed to distract people from the issues. He could be an AI construct for all I care. The critical thing is, Steve has important things to say, whether he is paid by aliens from Mars or from mom&#039;s cookie jar fund.

Why are you AGW folks so stuck on who is paying the bills? Could it may be, possibly be, just might be, because you find it so much easier to attack the messager rather than engage with the message?

Who pays Steve&#039;s salary is as immaterial as who pays your salary or mine. What you are doing is called an &quot;ad hominem&quot; argument, which happens when someone can&#039;t or won&#039;t deal with the message, and so they attack the messenger.

This is what you are doing, and while I am happy to see you post, I would request that you post about the issues and forget about the personalities. The important question is, is Steve right? Please try dealing with that.

Suppose Steve were paid 100% by Exxon (he&#039;s most definitely not, but suppose he were).

&lt;strong&gt;So What?&lt;/strong&gt;

Would that make him wrong? Would that change the truth of what he says by one iota? Clearly not. If Steve is right he is right, if he&#039;s wrong he&#039;s wrong, whether he is paid by Exxon or by Greenpeace.

Posting questions such as yours just tells people that you are not interested in the issues, but in besmirching someone&#039;s character in an attempt to discredit them.

Sorry, but that doesn&#039;t work here. I invite you to post about the issues, and I strongly discourage you from trying character asassination ... it doesn&#039;t work on this site, we know who we are, and guess what?

We don&#039;t care! We care about the issues!

w.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #32. Coop, thanks for posting. What difference does it make who Steve is or who he works for? All of these types of questions are merely red herrings, designed to distract people from the issues. He could be an AI construct for all I care. The critical thing is, Steve has important things to say, whether he is paid by aliens from Mars or from mom&#8217;s cookie jar fund.</p>
<p>Why are you AGW folks so stuck on who is paying the bills? Could it may be, possibly be, just might be, because you find it so much easier to attack the messager rather than engage with the message?</p>
<p>Who pays Steve&#8217;s salary is as immaterial as who pays your salary or mine. What you are doing is called an &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; argument, which happens when someone can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t deal with the message, and so they attack the messenger.</p>
<p>This is what you are doing, and while I am happy to see you post, I would request that you post about the issues and forget about the personalities. The important question is, is Steve right? Please try dealing with that.</p>
<p>Suppose Steve were paid 100% by Exxon (he&#8217;s most definitely not, but suppose he were).</p>
<p><strong>So What?</strong></p>
<p>Would that make him wrong? Would that change the truth of what he says by one iota? Clearly not. If Steve is right he is right, if he&#8217;s wrong he&#8217;s wrong, whether he is paid by Exxon or by Greenpeace.</p>
<p>Posting questions such as yours just tells people that you are not interested in the issues, but in besmirching someone&#8217;s character in an attempt to discredit them.</p>
<p>Sorry, but that doesn&#8217;t work here. I invite you to post about the issues, and I strongly discourage you from trying character asassination &#8230; it doesn&#8217;t work on this site, we know who we are, and guess what?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t care! We care about the issues!</p>
<p>w.</p>
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		<title>By: coop</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-38815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. McIntyre,

Are you a contributing writer for the George C. Marshall institute?

If so, have they paid you for your contributions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. McIntyre,</p>
<p>Are you a contributing writer for the George C. Marshall institute?</p>
<p>If so, have they paid you for your contributions?</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks Hurd</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-38814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brooks Hurd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul
Re: 30

Yes it is all taxpayers&#039; money, however you and I as individuals can direct our money as we see fit. Once the money gets into the hands of our governments, we basically have no control over how it is spent.

Your other point on reducing reliance on imported energy is a rather complex issue. The folks who brought us AGW are the same folks who for all intents and purposes stopped us from building nuclear power plants which neither produce CO2 nor rely on oil imported from Russia, Saudi, or Venezuala. On the positive side, technologies which were far too costly with an oil price of $20 - $30/barrel are now economical with oil selling above $50/barrel. Here in the US, the demand for hybrid vehicles exceeds the supply and used SUVs are becoming tough to sell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul<br />
Re: 30</p>
<p>Yes it is all taxpayers&#8217; money, however you and I as individuals can direct our money as we see fit. Once the money gets into the hands of our governments, we basically have no control over how it is spent.</p>
<p>Your other point on reducing reliance on imported energy is a rather complex issue. The folks who brought us AGW are the same folks who for all intents and purposes stopped us from building nuclear power plants which neither produce CO2 nor rely on oil imported from Russia, Saudi, or Venezuala. On the positive side, technologies which were far too costly with an oil price of $20 &#8211; $30/barrel are now economical with oil selling above $50/barrel. Here in the US, the demand for hybrid vehicles exceeds the supply and used SUVs are becoming tough to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gosling</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-38813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Gosling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t at all taxpayers money in the end? But thats besides the point.

Ignoring AGW for a moment, surely recent events have show that heavy reliance on oil is a dangerous position to be in. Growth in the UK economy is forecast to fall because of higher oil prices and inflation is at an 8 year high, again largely due to higher oil prices. I believe the situation is similar in the USA. Here in the UK we are becoming more and more reliant on energy imports from such stable places as N. Africa and Russia. I would be quite happy to see more of my taxes going into research into alternative energy sources. If thats because of AGW scarmongering so be it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t at all taxpayers money in the end? But thats besides the point.</p>
<p>Ignoring AGW for a moment, surely recent events have show that heavy reliance on oil is a dangerous position to be in. Growth in the UK economy is forecast to fall because of higher oil prices and inflation is at an 8 year high, again largely due to higher oil prices. I believe the situation is similar in the USA. Here in the UK we are becoming more and more reliant on energy imports from such stable places as N. Africa and Russia. I would be quite happy to see more of my taxes going into research into alternative energy sources. If thats because of AGW scarmongering so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: JerryB</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/14/umass-magazine-on-bradley/#comment-38812</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JerryB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The registrant organization of realclimate.org is Environmental Media Services, a part of Fenton communications, a prominent scare campaign, and misinformation, operation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The registrant organization of realclimate.org is Environmental Media Services, a part of Fenton communications, a prominent scare campaign, and misinformation, operation.</p>
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