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	<title>Comments on: Another Bristlecone/Foxtail Site: Timber Gap CA</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/19/another-bristleconefoxtail-site-timber-gap-ca/#comment-39016</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bump - in response to Louis&#039; comment about minerals in the other thread, here&#039;s an example where the access to the trees is from a road to a ghost 19th century mining site and the name Timber Gap has survived from 19th century usage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bump &#8211; in response to Louis&#8217; comment about minerals in the other thread, here&#8217;s an example where the access to the trees is from a road to a ghost 19th century mining site and the name Timber Gap has survived from 19th century usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Caprio</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/19/another-bristleconefoxtail-site-timber-gap-ca/#comment-39015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Caprio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The image you posted of the foxtail pine being cored (top right) is a copyrighted image. As the photographer I&#039;m asking that you please remove the image from your page since you did not obtain permission for its use although it explicidely states on the source page (http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/gallery.htm) that permission needs to be obtained (Grissino-Mayer was not the photographer):

(&quot;A word of warning: all photographs are copyrighted material. If you wish to use any graphic on any of your web pages, slide presentations, or in any published material, you should first contact the individual to determine the conditions of use. You should expect to credit the photographer next to the photograph.&quot; - Grissino-Mayer  http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/gallery.htm#Copyright).

Additionally, you purposely cropped the original image to remove the credit that was part of the image (http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/images/foxtail.gif).

Tony Caprio]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The image you posted of the foxtail pine being cored (top right) is a copyrighted image. As the photographer I&#8217;m asking that you please remove the image from your page since you did not obtain permission for its use although it explicidely states on the source page (<a href="http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/gallery.htm" rel="nofollow">http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/gallery.htm</a>) that permission needs to be obtained (Grissino-Mayer was not the photographer):</p>
<p>(&#8220;A word of warning: all photographs are copyrighted material. If you wish to use any graphic on any of your web pages, slide presentations, or in any published material, you should first contact the individual to determine the conditions of use. You should expect to credit the photographer next to the photograph.&#8221; &#8211; Grissino-Mayer  <a href="http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/gallery.htm#Copyright" rel="nofollow">http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/gallery.htm#Copyright</a>).</p>
<p>Additionally, you purposely cropped the original image to remove the credit that was part of the image (<a href="http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/images/foxtail.gif" rel="nofollow">http://web.utk.edu/~grissino/images/foxtail.gif</a>).</p>
<p>Tony Caprio</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/19/another-bristleconefoxtail-site-timber-gap-ca/#comment-39014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 02:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: CO2 fertilization. From the melt, there is moisture which waters the seasonal grasses. In all but the highest meadows, with the exceptions of years with a strong enough Monsoon / convective summer showers, the grass dies off by mid to late summer. In years with an El Nino, the snow pack would tend to be massive early on but then get melted off by late rains with a high snow level (e.g. the Pineapple Express pattern). In such years I would expect the grass to grow much more prolifically.

If a year starts out with a Siberian Express (north to south jet stream) and then there is a spring drought, the effect might be similar.

In either case, it ends up as a thicker detritus layer than other years, and on to fertilize the trees. Anyone who assumes that Bristlecones or Foxtails grow more with warmer temps, per se, may not understand all the factors involved in their growth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: CO2 fertilization. From the melt, there is moisture which waters the seasonal grasses. In all but the highest meadows, with the exceptions of years with a strong enough Monsoon / convective summer showers, the grass dies off by mid to late summer. In years with an El Nino, the snow pack would tend to be massive early on but then get melted off by late rains with a high snow level (e.g. the Pineapple Express pattern). In such years I would expect the grass to grow much more prolifically.</p>
<p>If a year starts out with a Siberian Express (north to south jet stream) and then there is a spring drought, the effect might be similar.</p>
<p>In either case, it ends up as a thicker detritus layer than other years, and on to fertilize the trees. Anyone who assumes that Bristlecones or Foxtails grow more with warmer temps, per se, may not understand all the factors involved in their growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/19/another-bristleconefoxtail-site-timber-gap-ca/#comment-39013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve tried to collect information on bristlecones of any sort to see whether there were any non-homogeneities in the 19th/20th century. I&#039;ve tried to keep other alternatives besides CO2 fertilization open.

It is a well-known dendro effect that logging creates a &quot;release&quot; for remaining trees. Dendro people say in an arm-waving way that nobody would take timber from bristlecone sites. I haven&#039;t seen any direct references to any timber activity at this site, but the name Timber Gap is suggestive of some connection to timber. Looking at the pictures, the timber was probably taken from the lower trees but I&#039;ve seen some evidence of timber being taken from high bristlecone sites for little mines (I&#039;ll show this in my next post on this topic).

Could this road have opened up acess to alpine meadows for sheep? Of course it could.

I think that  you have to canvass these things. But, even if nothing turns up, the sites are pretty and I hated to waste the work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried to collect information on bristlecones of any sort to see whether there were any non-homogeneities in the 19th/20th century. I&#8217;ve tried to keep other alternatives besides CO2 fertilization open.</p>
<p>It is a well-known dendro effect that logging creates a &#8220;release&#8221; for remaining trees. Dendro people say in an arm-waving way that nobody would take timber from bristlecone sites. I haven&#8217;t seen any direct references to any timber activity at this site, but the name Timber Gap is suggestive of some connection to timber. Looking at the pictures, the timber was probably taken from the lower trees but I&#8217;ve seen some evidence of timber being taken from high bristlecone sites for little mines (I&#8217;ll show this in my next post on this topic).</p>
<p>Could this road have opened up acess to alpine meadows for sheep? Of course it could.</p>
<p>I think that  you have to canvass these things. But, even if nothing turns up, the sites are pretty and I hated to waste the work.</p>
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		<title>By: JerryB</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/19/another-bristleconefoxtail-site-timber-gap-ca/#comment-39012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JerryB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among other things, it delightfully illustrates using the web to locate a variety of kinds of information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among other things, it delightfully illustrates using the web to locate a variety of kinds of information.</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/19/another-bristleconefoxtail-site-timber-gap-ca/#comment-39011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does this article have a climatological point or is it just for scenic interest?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this article have a climatological point or is it just for scenic interest?</p>
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