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	<title>Comments on: Mount Kenya</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Hughes</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Hughes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 21:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/28/kilimanjaro/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is a piece about Kilimanjaro from about a year ago. Fog stripping collects lots o&#039; water, it seems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/28/kilimanjaro/" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a piece about Kilimanjaro from about a year ago. Fog stripping collects lots o&#8217; water, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: richardT</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39067</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 15:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to clear up an error in this piece. The lakes studies by Barker et al 2001 are not glacially fed. This is explicit in the article: &quot;Their catchments have not been glaciated during the last 14,000 years.&quot;. The selection of non-glacially fed lakes was deliberate to simplify the isotopic budget.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to clear up an error in this piece. The lakes studies by Barker et al 2001 are not glacially fed. This is explicit in the article: &#8220;Their catchments have not been glaciated during the last 14,000 years.&#8221;. The selection of non-glacially fed lakes was deliberate to simplify the isotopic budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39066</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to bump this post back into the queue because there are a couple of intresting features in light of information on Andes glaciers.  Pollissar et al 2006, discussing the glaciers in the Venezuelan Andes, convincingly interpreted mag-intensity in sediments as evidence for the presence/absence of a glacier. When there is no glacial runoff, mag content of sediments tends to be low. Polissar et al concluded that the Venezuelan glaciers did not exist in the MWP.

In my closing comment on the above post, I mused about the possibility of a connection between mag levels and glacier existence, but did not have any information on the connection at that time.

If you look at the graphic posted up here (and a nearly identical one for another tarn in the original article) and applied the methodologies of Polissar et al, one would conclude that glaciers did not exist for most of the history of the tarn and were merely episodic.

The other thing that I wonder about here is the lack of any LIA radiocarbon-dated materials. We know that glaciers grew in the LIA. So there should be evidence of high-mag sediments near the top of the core or at the top of the core from the LIA?  Where is it? I wonder whether there&#039;s a reservoir effect in the radiocarbon and whether the high-mag sediments at the top of the core actually come from the LIA?  If not, why aren&#039;t there any LIA sediments here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to bump this post back into the queue because there are a couple of intresting features in light of information on Andes glaciers.  Pollissar et al 2006, discussing the glaciers in the Venezuelan Andes, convincingly interpreted mag-intensity in sediments as evidence for the presence/absence of a glacier. When there is no glacial runoff, mag content of sediments tends to be low. Polissar et al concluded that the Venezuelan glaciers did not exist in the MWP.</p>
<p>In my closing comment on the above post, I mused about the possibility of a connection between mag levels and glacier existence, but did not have any information on the connection at that time.</p>
<p>If you look at the graphic posted up here (and a nearly identical one for another tarn in the original article) and applied the methodologies of Polissar et al, one would conclude that glaciers did not exist for most of the history of the tarn and were merely episodic.</p>
<p>The other thing that I wonder about here is the lack of any LIA radiocarbon-dated materials. We know that glaciers grew in the LIA. So there should be evidence of high-mag sediments near the top of the core or at the top of the core from the LIA?  Where is it? I wonder whether there&#8217;s a reservoir effect in the radiocarbon and whether the high-mag sediments at the top of the core actually come from the LIA?  If not, why aren&#8217;t there any LIA sediments here?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39065</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: This is an ongoing issue for Thompson - his whole schtick with tropical glaciers is based on the assumption that low dO18 is associated with cold temperatures, when the most obvious interpretation, based on observations, is that low dO18 is associated with heavy monsoons.

Indeed. In some tropical locations besides this part of Africa, essentially the ONLY source of precipitation is monsoons. Once again, the Hockey Team attempt to change a precipitation proxy into a temperature proxy. Even on Mann&#039;s own homepage at Penn he&#039;s got a link to an Article on the UVA website about the seeming correlation between tree ring widths and preciption at Monticello. Harumph!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: This is an ongoing issue for Thompson &#8211; his whole schtick with tropical glaciers is based on the assumption that low dO18 is associated with cold temperatures, when the most obvious interpretation, based on observations, is that low dO18 is associated with heavy monsoons.</p>
<p>Indeed. In some tropical locations besides this part of Africa, essentially the ONLY source of precipitation is monsoons. Once again, the Hockey Team attempt to change a precipitation proxy into a temperature proxy. Even on Mann&#8217;s own homepage at Penn he&#8217;s got a link to an Article on the UVA website about the seeming correlation between tree ring widths and preciption at Monticello. Harumph!</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Academic?
Yes
The northern hemisphere winter is in december
the southern hemisphere winter is in June

on the equator (and 20 km south of it), however, the sun is right above your head in march and september, so december and june are &lt;b&gt;both&lt;/b&gt; cooler season.

winter does not exist in the tropics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Academic?<br />
Yes<br />
The northern hemisphere winter is in december<br />
the southern hemisphere winter is in June</p>
<p>on the equator (and 20 km south of it), however, the sun is right above your head in march and september, so december and june are <b>both</b> cooler season.</p>
<p>winter does not exist in the tropics.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39063</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louis Hissink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hans,

20 km south of the Equator?

Academic?

I suspect not.

I have enough practical experience from flying in helicopters and etc that increasing altitude results in extreme coldness.

Of course one must keep in mind that opponents of climate scepticism refuse to give up their, ass drawn, trailers despite that this ancient mode of transportation has little relevance to the concentration of biological oxidation of carbon,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans,</p>
<p>20 km south of the Equator?</p>
<p>Academic?</p>
<p>I suspect not.</p>
<p>I have enough practical experience from flying in helicopters and etc that increasing altitude results in extreme coldness.</p>
<p>Of course one must keep in mind that opponents of climate scepticism refuse to give up their, ass drawn, trailers despite that this ancient mode of transportation has little relevance to the concentration of biological oxidation of carbon,</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Snack</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Snack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problem TCO, just wondering how I&#039;d upset you lately...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem TCO, just wondering how I&#8217;d upset you lately&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barclay E. MacDonald</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barclay E. MacDonald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James Lane #12 sends us to an article entitled :: The United Nations and American dictates ::]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Lane #12 sends us to an article entitled :: The United Nations and American dictates ::</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some typos creep in when you use the text copy in pdf&#039;s. I try to check it, but they creep in anyway. I&#039;ve fixed the ones pointed out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some typos creep in when you use the text copy in pdf&#8217;s. I try to check it, but they creep in anyway. I&#8217;ve fixed the ones pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/23/mount-kenya/#comment-39059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed, I meant Sid, not Snack.  Sorry, got you guys confused.

Steve did not call me on anything.  I&#039;m aware of the monsoon effect (read other post).  Just trying to think through.  I think he&#039;s clarified his point, now.  It has nothing to do with &quot;summer&quot;, per se.  It has to do with precip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I meant Sid, not Snack.  Sorry, got you guys confused.</p>
<p>Steve did not call me on anything.  I&#8217;m aware of the monsoon effect (read other post).  Just trying to think through.  I think he&#8217;s clarified his point, now.  It has nothing to do with &#8220;summer&#8221;, per se.  It has to do with precip.</p>
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