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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: The IPCC SREX: the report is finally out.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-332574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The IPCC SREX: the report is finally out.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 12:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and here), and I wonder whether this notion seems to be a bit difficult to grasp for some scholars (here and here). It is a new way of looking at the data, and I notice that even the SRES report (p. 125) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and here), and I wonder whether this notion seems to be a bit difficult to grasp for some scholars (here and here). It is a new way of looking at the data, and I notice that even the SRES report (p. 125) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The IPCC SREX: the report is finally out. &#8211; - ScienceNewsX - Science News AggregatorScienceNewsX &#8211; Science News Aggregator</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-330646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The IPCC SREX: the report is finally out. &#8211; - ScienceNewsX - Science News AggregatorScienceNewsX &#8211; Science News Aggregator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and here), and I wonder whether this notion seems to be a bit difficult to grasp for some scholars (here and here). It is a new way of looking at the data, and I notice that even the SRES report (p. 125) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and here), and I wonder whether this notion seems to be a bit difficult to grasp for some scholars (here and here). It is a new way of looking at the data, and I notice that even the SRES report (p. 125) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The IPCC SREX: the report is finally out. &#124; Climate Science &#8212; My Link Blog</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-330640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The IPCC SREX: the report is finally out. &#124; Climate Science &#8212; My Link Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and here), and I wonder whether this notion seems to be a bit difficult to grasp for some scholars (here and here). It is a new way of looking at the data, and I notice that even the SRES report (p. 125) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and here), and I wonder whether this notion seems to be a bit difficult to grasp for some scholars (here and here). It is a new way of looking at the data, and I notice that even the SRES report (p. 125) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Demetris Koutsoyannis &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-280507</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demetris Koutsoyannis &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 21:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] discussed Rasmus together with Cohn and Lins in a number of recent posts, commencing here . Rasmus argued that consideration of statistical persistence &quot;pitched&quot; statistics against [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] discussed Rasmus together with Cohn and Lins in a number of recent posts, commencing here . Rasmus argued that consideration of statistical persistence &quot;pitched&quot; statistics against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-41496</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That Benestad paper (2003) is quite interesting

 &lt;blockquote&gt;A null hypothesis assumes a homogeneous (no change in observation practice or instrumentation) and stationary (no long term trend) series, i.e. a series consisting of independent and identically distributed (iid) random variables (von Storch &amp; Zwiers 1999, Raqab 2001).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve seen this somewhere else, stationary=i.i.d, where does this come from?? From those references?


&lt;blockquote&gt;Over northern Europe, the month-to-month and year-to-year correlations are low, hence each series can be treated as consisting of independent realizations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
...
&lt;blockquote&gt;A cooling during 1940--1960 in many of the series may affect the observed number of record events.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Climate science is amazingly confusing. (sorry for bringing old post up, searched for Scafetta, and guessed beforehand that Steve mentions him/her somewhere in this blog)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Benestad paper (2003) is quite interesting</p>
<blockquote><p>A null hypothesis assumes a homogeneous (no change in observation practice or instrumentation) and stationary (no long term trend) series, i.e. a series consisting of independent and identically distributed (iid) random variables (von Storch &amp; Zwiers 1999, Raqab 2001).</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen this somewhere else, stationary=i.i.d, where does this come from?? From those references?</p>
<blockquote><p>Over northern Europe, the month-to-month and year-to-year correlations are low, hence each series can be treated as consisting of independent realizations.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>A cooling during 1940&#8211;1960 in many of the series may affect the observed number of record events.</p></blockquote>
<p>Climate science is amazingly confusing. (sorry for bringing old post up, searched for Scafetta, and guessed beforehand that Steve mentions him/her somewhere in this blog)</p>
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		<title>By: Willis Eschenbach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-41495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willis Eschenbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last post got munched, I used the &quot;less than&quot; symbol ... wrong. Here&#039;s the full post:

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Finally got around to reading &quot;Naturally Trendy&quot;. It&#039;s amazing. They show that with the type of &quot;d&quot; values found in temperature datasets (~0.3 - 0.4), the (p less than 5%) trend levels are exceeded, not 5% of the time as we&#039;d expect, but some 30% - 40% of the time ... I had not realized it was that bad.

The paper also shows that the annual NH temperature trend of the last 150 years is &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;not statistically significant&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;  (p = ~ 7%) Zowie, I didn&#039;t expect that.

Ummm ...

w.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last post got munched, I used the &#8220;less than&#8221; symbol &#8230; wrong. Here&#8217;s the full post:</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Finally got around to reading &#8220;Naturally Trendy&#8221;. It&#8217;s amazing. They show that with the type of &#8220;d&#8221; values found in temperature datasets (~0.3 &#8211; 0.4), the (p less than 5%) trend levels are exceeded, not 5% of the time as we&#8217;d expect, but some 30% &#8211; 40% of the time &#8230; I had not realized it was that bad.</p>
<p>The paper also shows that the annual NH temperature trend of the last 150 years is <strong><em>not statistically significant</em></strong>  (p = ~ 7%) Zowie, I didn&#8217;t expect that.</p>
<p>Ummm &#8230;</p>
<p>w.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis Eschenbach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-41494</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willis Eschenbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally got around to reading &quot;Naturally Trendy&quot;. It&#039;s amazing. They show that with the type of &quot;d&quot; values found in temperature datasets (~0.3 - 0.4), the p &lt;em&gt;not statistically significant&lt;/em&gt;  (p = ~ 7%) Zowie, I didn&#039;t expect that.

Ummm ...

w.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally got around to reading &#8220;Naturally Trendy&#8221;. It&#8217;s amazing. They show that with the type of &#8220;d&#8221; values found in temperature datasets (~0.3 &#8211; 0.4), the p <em>not statistically significant</em>  (p = ~ 7%) Zowie, I didn&#8217;t expect that.</p>
<p>Ummm &#8230;</p>
<p>w.</p>
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		<title>By: Everyday thoughts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-41493</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Everyday thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;A tale of hypothesis testing &#039;&#039;€&quot; expanding on Hans Von Storch and the Mexican Hat&lt;/strong&gt;

&#160;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A tale of hypothesis testing &#8221;€&#8221; expanding on Hans Von Storch and the Mexican Hat</strong></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense Technology &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Trade bad for Kyoto Protocol</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-41492</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Common Sense Technology &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Trade bad for Kyoto Protocol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] My view is that Kyoto has always been a political and economic treaty having little - maybe even nothing - to do with the environment. This report confirms what was obvious on the surface although bureaucrats and climatologists did not see this one coming (economics being outside their field). Regardless, there is a really interesting online discussion of statistics, physics, economics models, hydraulics models, GCMs, etc, here and good questions on the former here.)     Trackback &#183;      &#8226; &#8226; &#8226; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My view is that Kyoto has always been a political and economic treaty having little &#8211; maybe even nothing &#8211; to do with the environment. This report confirms what was obvious on the surface although bureaucrats and climatologists did not see this one coming (economics being outside their field). Regardless, there is a really interesting online discussion of statistics, physics, economics models, hydraulics models, GCMs, etc, here and good questions on the former here.)     Trackback &middot;      &#8226; &#8226; &#8226; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2005/12/18/cohn-and-lins-grl-2005/#comment-41491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TCO - I see that Rasmus has told you that GCMs do a &quot;reasonable&quot; job of replicating the autocorrelation structure of temperature and temperature proxies. Ask for a reference - I&#039;m unaware of specific evidence that they do (but I&#039;m not conversant with much GCM literature). Pelletier cited Manabe and Stouffer as showing that continental gridpoints had &quot;flat spectra up to time scales of about 100 years in contrast to observation&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TCO &#8211; I see that Rasmus has told you that GCMs do a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; job of replicating the autocorrelation structure of temperature and temperature proxies. Ask for a reference &#8211; I&#8217;m unaware of specific evidence that they do (but I&#8217;m not conversant with much GCM literature). Pelletier cited Manabe and Stouffer as showing that continental gridpoints had &#8220;flat spectra up to time scales of about 100 years in contrast to observation&#8221;.</p>
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