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	<title>Comments on: More Hwang Fallout at Pitt</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43967</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: #15 - Indeed! There are many retired engineers in these here parts and I do declare, you are 100% correct!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: #15 &#8211; Indeed! There are many retired engineers in these here parts and I do declare, you are 100% correct!</p>
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		<title>By: ET SidViscous</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ET SidViscous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget as Junkscience has pointed out. Budget cuts are coming at NASA. Because he is being &quot;gagged&quot;* he secures his funding because if it&#039;s being cut he can claim it was political. So by starting early he fires the first shot in saving his funding.

*(How does someone that is being muzzled get into the national press 4 days a week)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget as Junkscience has pointed out. Budget cuts are coming at NASA. Because he is being &#8220;gagged&#8221;* he secures his funding because if it&#8217;s being cut he can claim it was political. So by starting early he fires the first shot in saving his funding.</p>
<p>*(How does someone that is being muzzled get into the national press 4 days a week)</p>
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		<title>By: john lichtenstein</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john lichtenstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov this behaviour is sometimes called &quot;retired engineer&#039;s syndrome&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Sadlov this behaviour is sometimes called &#8220;retired engineer&#8217;s syndrome&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43964</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: #12. In the science and engineering fields I have witnessed this before. A person moves into a religious fervor regarding a &quot;finding&quot; or theory and some sort of switch goes off, then, self destructive hysteria ensues. Some people have a large need to &quot;be right&quot; which is probably what attracted them to become a scientist or engineer in the first place. At least based on what is being printed by the press, it appears that Hansen is now there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: #12. In the science and engineering fields I have witnessed this before. A person moves into a religious fervor regarding a &#8220;finding&#8221; or theory and some sort of switch goes off, then, self destructive hysteria ensues. Some people have a large need to &#8220;be right&#8221; which is probably what attracted them to become a scientist or engineer in the first place. At least based on what is being printed by the press, it appears that Hansen is now there.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hekman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hekman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, here&#039;s the link:

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article345926.ece]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, here&#8217;s the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article345926.ece" rel="nofollow">http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article345926.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Hekman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43962</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hekman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Hansen is inadvertantly doing a lot of damage to AGW in his rage over being &quot;gagged&quot; by NASA.  The remarks quoted in UK&#039;s Independent today should be enshrined here along with other classics of &quot;scientists gone wild.&quot;

He is gaga over the Greenland ice sheet, which is losing small amounts of ice today, but he is convinced that the &quot;tipping point&quot; is coming.  Therefore, since it serves his purpose, the climate models can be thrown out the window:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Today&#039;s forecasts of sea-level rise use climate models of the ice sheets that say they can only disintegrate over a thousand years or more. But we can now see that the models are almost worthless. They treat the ice sheets like a single block of ice that will slowly melt. But what is happening is much more dynamic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are we frustrated that climate models only produce a sea level rise of a few centimeters in the next century?  Well, make up your own estimate then:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The last time the world was three degrees warmer than today - which is what we expect later this century - sea levels were 25m higher. So that is what we can look forward to if we don&#039;t act soon. None of the current climate and ice models predict this. But I prefer the evidence from the Earth&#039;s history and my own eyes. I think sea-level rise is going to be the big issue soon, more even than warming itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This seems to be a new phenomenon.  Hansen is rejecting the models from the other side, the alarmist side.  What will the IPCC do with this?  Is Hansen now a &quot;sceptic&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Hansen is inadvertantly doing a lot of damage to AGW in his rage over being &#8220;gagged&#8221; by NASA.  The remarks quoted in UK&#8217;s Independent today should be enshrined here along with other classics of &#8220;scientists gone wild.&#8221;</p>
<p>He is gaga over the Greenland ice sheet, which is losing small amounts of ice today, but he is convinced that the &#8220;tipping point&#8221; is coming.  Therefore, since it serves his purpose, the climate models can be thrown out the window:</p>
<blockquote><p>Today&#8217;s forecasts of sea-level rise use climate models of the ice sheets that say they can only disintegrate over a thousand years or more. But we can now see that the models are almost worthless. They treat the ice sheets like a single block of ice that will slowly melt. But what is happening is much more dynamic.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are we frustrated that climate models only produce a sea level rise of a few centimeters in the next century?  Well, make up your own estimate then:</p>
<blockquote><p>The last time the world was three degrees warmer than today &#8211; which is what we expect later this century &#8211; sea levels were 25m higher. So that is what we can look forward to if we don&#8217;t act soon. None of the current climate and ice models predict this. But I prefer the evidence from the Earth&#8217;s history and my own eyes. I think sea-level rise is going to be the big issue soon, more even than warming itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>This seems to be a new phenomenon.  Hansen is rejecting the models from the other side, the alarmist side.  What will the IPCC do with this?  Is Hansen now a &#8220;sceptic&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: The Knowing One</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Knowing One]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The current issue of &lt;em&gt;Science&lt;/em&gt; (February 17th, p. 928) has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/311/5763/928.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;News item&lt;/a&gt; about the Pitt investigation.  Here is an interesting quote.
&lt;blockquote&gt;[The Pitt report] says Schatten&#039;s behind-the-scenes &quot;lobbying&quot; of &lt;em&gt;Science&lt;/em&gt; editors helped assure the publication of a 2004 paper (12 March 2004, p. 1669) on the development of stem cells from a cloned human embryo, a charge &lt;em&gt;Science&lt;/em&gt; Editor-in-Chief Donald Kennedy denies, saying, &quot;If anything, hearing from Jerry was a distraction.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This seems to implicitly acknowledge that Schatten lobbied substantially, albeit claiming to negligible effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current issue of <em>Science</em> (February 17th, p. 928) has a <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/311/5763/928.pdf" rel="nofollow">News item</a> about the Pitt investigation.  Here is an interesting quote.</p>
<blockquote><p>[The Pitt report] says Schatten&#8217;s behind-the-scenes &#8220;lobbying&#8221; of <em>Science</em> editors helped assure the publication of a 2004 paper (12 March 2004, p. 1669) on the development of stem cells from a cloned human embryo, a charge <em>Science</em> Editor-in-Chief Donald Kennedy denies, saying, &#8220;If anything, hearing from Jerry was a distraction.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This seems to implicitly acknowledge that Schatten lobbied substantially, albeit claiming to negligible effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rankin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rankin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#9.  Your link goes to a login screen.Steve: Fixed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9.  Your link goes to a login screen.Steve: Fixed</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/15/more-hwang-fallout-at-pitt/#comment-43959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#8. You&#039;ll be amused by the post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=127#comment-491&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here &lt;/a&gt; where yours truly admitted to liking a slight variation on the above 6 steps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8. You&#8217;ll be amused by the post <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=127#comment-491" rel="nofollow">here </a> where yours truly admitted to liking a slight variation on the above 6 steps.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Machnee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Machnee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #4 - Some say that about Meteorology - but they never give credit when the forecast is correct- which is actually most of the time for issues up to 48 hours. That statement applies more to Government economists. However it is time to dig out my favorite from the permanent spot in my briefcase.
6 Phases of a Project:
1.  Enthusiasm
2.  Disillusionment
3.  Panic
4.  Search for the guilty
5.  Punishment of the innocent
6.  Praise and honors for the non-participants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #4 &#8211; Some say that about Meteorology &#8211; but they never give credit when the forecast is correct- which is actually most of the time for issues up to 48 hours. That statement applies more to Government economists. However it is time to dig out my favorite from the permanent spot in my briefcase.<br />
6 Phases of a Project:<br />
1.  Enthusiasm<br />
2.  Disillusionment<br />
3.  Panic<br />
4.  Search for the guilty<br />
5.  Punishment of the innocent<br />
6.  Praise and honors for the non-participants.</p>
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