Comments on: Polar Urals “Grass Plot” http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/polar-urals-grass-plot/ by Steve McIntyre Sat, 18 May 2013 19:12:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: jae http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/polar-urals-grass-plot/#comment-44216 Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:55:22 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=544#comment-44216 There is irrefutable proof that the sun causes climate changes. There is no clear proof that CO2 does–yet. The Hockey Stick Team sure has not demonstrated it, IMHO. The models can’t be verified or trusted. What is there to convince anyone that the warming, if there is indeed warming, is not caused by the sun, alone?

]]> By: beng http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/polar-urals-grass-plot/#comment-44215 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:44:11 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=544#comment-44215 Sorry, OT, but after reading Daly’s page (again), and seeing these fairly distinct “pulses” occur worldwide in many various proxies, it dawned on me that the sun looks like it’s controlling the climate with ~500 yr periods and relatively abrupt peaks & declines (flickering in extremely slow-motion). How else could there be such distinct & closely synchronized global events, other than, say, massive volcanism or glacial melt?

It couldn’t have been CO2, since that was static in the Holocene at the PC level of 280 ppm until recently. :)

]]> By: beng http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/polar-urals-grass-plot/#comment-44214 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:37:50 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=544#comment-44214 This is a Polar Ural series — Russia. Of course it could be an artefact of lack of sample #s, selection, etc, but there are “events” ~1000 BP & ~500 BP.

Now look at the Sargasso Sea proxy from an earlier J. Daly reference (scroll down):
http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm

Note similar “events” at the same periods. Looks to me like the same distinct signal between two widely separate NH sites. Interesting if the Polar Ural site tree-growth is mostly cold-limited…

]]> By: Steve McIntyre http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/polar-urals-grass-plot/#comment-44213 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:54:21 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=544#comment-44213 John A – look back at my posts on Polar Urals last May or so. Category Jones et al. It was actually only 3 trees – but 2 of them are almost certainly misdated. I’ll have to re-visit the dating in light of the updated info.

]]> By: John A http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/polar-urals-grass-plot/#comment-44212 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:16:47 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=544#comment-44212 Hold on a second…

How many trees are involved in the original series for the year 1032?

Two, would you say?

Is the "coldest year of the Millenium" based on the ring widths of two trees?

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