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	<title>Comments on: Variance Stabilization in Esper Chronologies</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/variance-stabilization-in-esper-chronologies/#comment-44211</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My &quot;Eyeball Technique&quot; tells me that there is no climatic significance to any of the Esper series. Should I publish?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My &#8220;Eyeball Technique&#8221; tells me that there is no climatic significance to any of the Esper series. Should I publish?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross McKitrick</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/variance-stabilization-in-esper-chronologies/#comment-44210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross McKitrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, by rescaling them to have a mean 0 and sd=1 over the series length, that might understate some of the differences. Shouldn&#039;t you rescale them to the mean and sd over the post-1901 subsegment? (Just kidding!)
What I&#039;d rather see would be the Goldfeld-Quandt stats for each series. And, if homoscedasticity is suddenly so important, let&#039;s hear an a priori declaration (without peeking at the results) from the tree ring experts of what the cut-off is that disqualifies a series. But beyond that, as you pointed out earlier, someone needs to provide a model to explain why we would not expect tree rings chronologies to exhibit ARCH behaviour, especially since they are otherwise known to be strongly autocorrelated. If there&#039;s some reason to believe that a valid proxy would not reject a null of no-ARCH, then a gauss-newton regression is easy to do and generates F stats that settles the matter. Again, if paleoclimatologists really believe this is a legitimate selection criteria, let them pick the p-value for the F stat before peeking at the answers.
Even if one accepts an eyeball argument for the Yamal switcheroo, then the Yamal series looks like it should be truncated at around 1900.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, by rescaling them to have a mean 0 and sd=1 over the series length, that might understate some of the differences. Shouldn&#8217;t you rescale them to the mean and sd over the post-1901 subsegment? (Just kidding!)<br />
What I&#8217;d rather see would be the Goldfeld-Quandt stats for each series. And, if homoscedasticity is suddenly so important, let&#8217;s hear an a priori declaration (without peeking at the results) from the tree ring experts of what the cut-off is that disqualifies a series. But beyond that, as you pointed out earlier, someone needs to provide a model to explain why we would not expect tree rings chronologies to exhibit ARCH behaviour, especially since they are otherwise known to be strongly autocorrelated. If there&#8217;s some reason to believe that a valid proxy would not reject a null of no-ARCH, then a gauss-newton regression is easy to do and generates F stats that settles the matter. Again, if paleoclimatologists really believe this is a legitimate selection criteria, let them pick the p-value for the F stat before peeking at the answers.<br />
Even if one accepts an eyeball argument for the Yamal switcheroo, then the Yamal series looks like it should be truncated at around 1900.</p>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/02/22/variance-stabilization-in-esper-chronologies/#comment-44209</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rolling standard deviations on a series with significant trends? I just don&#039;t get it. If you have trends or cycles that have a period of greater than the window you use, the mean/trend effect is just going to swamp calculations of standard deviations.

Consider:
X(t)=t+epsilon (i.e. a linear trend plus noise)

epsilon=N(0,1)
and Y(t)=epsilon

Compare the standard deviation of these two series over any window and you will find that X(t) is much more variable than Y(t), but it doesn&#039;t really tell you much. Indeed, it seems that selecting on stable variance is a recipie for squashing any actual signal in the series. I must be missing something. What am I missing here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rolling standard deviations on a series with significant trends? I just don&#8217;t get it. If you have trends or cycles that have a period of greater than the window you use, the mean/trend effect is just going to swamp calculations of standard deviations.</p>
<p>Consider:<br />
X(t)=t+epsilon (i.e. a linear trend plus noise)</p>
<p>epsilon=N(0,1)<br />
and Y(t)=epsilon</p>
<p>Compare the standard deviation of these two series over any window and you will find that X(t) is much more variable than Y(t), but it doesn&#8217;t really tell you much. Indeed, it seems that selecting on stable variance is a recipie for squashing any actual signal in the series. I must be missing something. What am I missing here?</p>
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