Thank you

If you speak fortran, there is a program, md.for, at http://www.john-daly.com/bigdif/ which reports on conflicting monthly means in GHCN data.

The sample outputs of that program are multidat.ge4, which lists conflicts of 4 C or more, and multge1.zip, which lists conflicts of 1 C or more.

Thanks.

I have downloaded quite a number of files from that FTP site.

Brooks,

If you expect to be going through data of many stations at GISS, you might consider going to GISS’s source at ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v2/ .

See http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ghcn/ghcnoverview.html for an overview of GHCN data.

Either way has pros, and cons.

Using the latest instrumental data the current temperature would be about + 0.6C.

Do you have the instrument data which Dr. Jones uses to calculate his “global average” temperature?
Many people have been asking him for his data, but so far, he has steadfastly refused to provide it. Perhaps you did not see the von Storch presentation at the NAS.

Have you perused the GISS data station by station to see what the data really shows?
I have been doing this and only some of it aligns with Jones’ instrument graphics.

“Only about 0.2 C below the peak warmth of even this contrived apple picked plot. In other words its very hard to show that the current warmth is NOT unprecedented or very close to it in over 2,000 years.”

? it is not hard to show that the current warmth is not unprecedented in over 2000 years. first, steve’s low peak is actually 0.7 C below the high peak. i can read a graph just fine. second, even if your 0.2 C number were correct, or even if we are warmer, statistically speaking, it is not significant. a few tenths of a degree considering a) we cannot measure the past within even a half a degree and b) we cannot measure CURRENT within a half a degree (NASA GISS estimates about +/-1 C).

before calling steve misleading, why don’t you actually read the graph and convince the rest of us you aren’t misleading yourself.

mark

steve used a different set and showed nearly 2 C, btw…

as to the rest of your comments… local weather is a good indicator? so i guess it is ok to say that colorado ski resorts are having the snowiest year in recorded history? the dought that has plagued us is gone. even the south mountains, which were relatively dry this year, have experienced in excess of 8′ of snow this week alone. wolf creek is already at a two year average of 400 inches (about normal), with two months of snowing remaining. colorado springs, where i live, has set record lows this year, too. we’re dry, but we’re cold. must be global warming.

mark

John,

No you can not get any answer that you want. That’s my point. You can’t find more then about 1.0 C of net temperature change over about 500 years from the MWP to the LIA no matter how you play the data. That’s 1.0 C degree of change over 500 years and we are looking at 3.0 C over 150 years. That’s a big difference and something human civilization has never been exposed to….

So now were looking at almost 1,000,000 burned acres in Texas in the winter, drying up of our great rivers and apparently another record hurricane year, Arctic ice thats not reforming and not reflecting radiation backto space, record levels of atmospheric CO2…