Comments on: More Correspondence with Science http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/22/more-correspondence-with-science/ by Steve McIntyre Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:00:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: jae http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/22/more-correspondence-with-science/#comment-46931 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:49:28 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=597#comment-46931 Ooops. My comment is misplaced. Should have been in connection with the grass plots.

]]> By: jae http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/22/more-correspondence-with-science/#comment-46930 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:40:00 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=597#comment-46930 Steve: assuming there is a linear temperature signal and assuming the temperature is increasing, shouldn’t the grass plots show upward bending curves?

]]> By: John Lish http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/22/more-correspondence-with-science/#comment-46929 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:34:32 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=597#comment-46929 Ross may not always appreciate your pedantic eye for detail Steve but it is the correct way to deconstruct the argument. Methodology is the foundation for science and if those requests for information continue to be only partially answered then anybody must have to question the robustness of the process, let alone the conclusions. I admire your persistance and methodical approach. Stay patience and continue to ask the awkward questions.

]]> By: Steve McIntyre http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/22/more-correspondence-with-science/#comment-46928 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:42:49 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=597#comment-46928 I hope that they interpret the moral as being that these articles have to be buttoned up correctly at the outset. In a way, it’s too bad that Hanson has to be in the middle of the process, but it’s lax administration by the journal (together with lax administration by NSF) that results in the problem. So I think that it’s useful for him to work through one of these cases in baby steps.

He should be pissed off at Esper for sending 10 of 14 rwl files and 13 of 14 crn files; and wasting his time having to keep picking up the file. Although he probably blames it on me rather than Esper. But it’s really nice to see them being constructive about this and hopefully the exercise will be salutary for all parties.

The truncation of the temperature series by Briffa (AR4 lead author) is unfortunately all too typical. I don’t see how he’s going to be able defend the truncation. Some of the other results appear even worse, but I’ve haven’t doble-checked them yet. On a preliminary basis, Osborn-Briffa report a correlation of the Tirol series to gridcell temperature of 0.45, but I can only reproduce 0.07. (Since I can pretty much replicate one gridcell, I’m sure that I’m apples and apples in terms of picking off gridcell temperatures. I’ll report on this in a weeek or so.

]]> By: jae http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/22/more-correspondence-with-science/#comment-46927 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:58:16 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=597#comment-46927 WOW, again. You start thinking “charade,” when you read your post. I hope it is not, but am thinking it is so….

]]> By: per http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/22/more-correspondence-with-science/#comment-46926 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:43:34 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=597#comment-46926 Isn’t the process of science a glorious, nay, a beautiful thing ? Just reading that made my knees go weak :)

I am sure that the folk at Science are not that stupid. They have seen corrigenda for mbh and moberg, and they know that the hockey-stick publications in their journal are the basis of public policy. I am sure that they don’t like it, but they are slowly enforcing compliance from their authors to meet the basic standard of providing enough information to enable replication. They make all that effort, and wham- it could easily start to look like they have opened a can of worms.

If the folk at science are too busy firefighting, they won’t think about this. If they do, the implications for the credibility of their publication will be worth considering.

cheers
per

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