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	<title>Comments on: Two Editorials</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: снять квартиру посуточно</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-210498</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[снять квартиру посуточно]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://arendacity.kiev.ua/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;апартаменты посуточно&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://arendacity.kiev.ua/" rel="nofollow">апартаменты посуточно</a></p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you really need are assistants that can write up papers at your direction.  Since everything is done via computer analysis, you just need eager hands to crank them out.

You easily have enough ideas for another 10 papers.  A couple of assistants could build a tenurable record by collarborating with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you really need are assistants that can write up papers at your direction.  Since everything is done via computer analysis, you just need eager hands to crank them out.</p>
<p>You easily have enough ideas for another 10 papers.  A couple of assistants could build a tenurable record by collarborating with you.</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since you admitted I was right, I don&#039;t want to beat you over the head.  But...I can&#039;t help myself.  At least I segue a little.

I don&#039;t consider the replies to comments (in essence a reply to a reply to a reply to a paper) to be worth much as publications.  In your own words, those were in essence blog back and forth comments.  I think you would be better served (and the community better served) by getting some of the analyses here finished up and published.  at least those are &quot;replies to papers&quot; if you follow me.  Heck, some of them even approach the point of being original work.  For instance, the concept of the grass plot and identification of super-trees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you admitted I was right, I don&#8217;t want to beat you over the head.  But&#8230;I can&#8217;t help myself.  At least I segue a little.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider the replies to comments (in essence a reply to a reply to a reply to a paper) to be worth much as publications.  In your own words, those were in essence blog back and forth comments.  I think you would be better served (and the community better served) by getting some of the analyses here finished up and published.  at least those are &#8220;replies to papers&#8221; if you follow me.  Heck, some of them even approach the point of being original work.  For instance, the concept of the grass plot and identification of super-trees.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TCO, I haven&#039;t had a rejection problem. The Ritson and A&amp;W Comments at GRL were rejected so the Replies were not published. That wasn&#039;t because of defects in the replies.

I did send a very short focused note on Polar Urals cross-dating to Nature, who published the original article. They rejected it and said it should go to a specialty journal. I&#039;ll do that. But the obligation to deal with errors in Nature publications is really Nature&#039;s and I had to go through that process. I&#039;ll post that up.

I&#039;ve got a few other things in the works, some of which I should have finished. Look, if I were a 35-year trying to keep score for academic promotions, I&#039;d be worried about academic citations just like young professors are. But, TCO, you&#039;re right and you&#039;ve been right for a long time that I need to write up more articles. But then something like the NAS panel comes along or Wahl &amp; Ammann and these things take a lot of time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TCO, I haven&#8217;t had a rejection problem. The Ritson and A&amp;W Comments at GRL were rejected so the Replies were not published. That wasn&#8217;t because of defects in the replies.</p>
<p>I did send a very short focused note on Polar Urals cross-dating to Nature, who published the original article. They rejected it and said it should go to a specialty journal. I&#8217;ll do that. But the obligation to deal with errors in Nature publications is really Nature&#8217;s and I had to go through that process. I&#8217;ll post that up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a few other things in the works, some of which I should have finished. Look, if I were a 35-year trying to keep score for academic promotions, I&#8217;d be worried about academic citations just like young professors are. But, TCO, you&#8217;re right and you&#8217;ve been right for a long time that I need to write up more articles. But then something like the NAS panel comes along or Wahl &amp; Ammann and these things take a lot of time.</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I often find that many of Steve&#039;s posts have incomplete analysis and have implied results/ciriticisms that are not explicitly stated.  Formal pubs would be better.

Nothing wrong with having the website as well.  But the amount of work that this guy has done without getting it into formal, abstracted results is way out of balance.  I also think that some of the rejections and time wasted could be obviated by a tighter submission process and cleaner division of arguments and submitting to the right journals.  The mashed up PP presentations show a tendancy to me.  It&#039;s not hard to get things published if you divide them up and avoid the kitchen sink tendancy.  And follow the procedures and proofread like a nuke engineer.  (You&#039;d be surprised how much that helps.  Just tell a simple straightforward story and follow the rules.)

I think getting some simpler articles published before writing the review article on statistical methods would both make it more likely that Steve has the academic cred to pull it off...as well as the process will teach him things that will make his review article better--he doesn&#039;t know it all yet!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often find that many of Steve&#8217;s posts have incomplete analysis and have implied results/ciriticisms that are not explicitly stated.  Formal pubs would be better.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with having the website as well.  But the amount of work that this guy has done without getting it into formal, abstracted results is way out of balance.  I also think that some of the rejections and time wasted could be obviated by a tighter submission process and cleaner division of arguments and submitting to the right journals.  The mashed up PP presentations show a tendancy to me.  It&#8217;s not hard to get things published if you divide them up and avoid the kitchen sink tendancy.  And follow the procedures and proofread like a nuke engineer.  (You&#8217;d be surprised how much that helps.  Just tell a simple straightforward story and follow the rules.)</p>
<p>I think getting some simpler articles published before writing the review article on statistical methods would both make it more likely that Steve has the academic cred to pull it off&#8230;as well as the process will teach him things that will make his review article better&#8211;he doesn&#8217;t know it all yet!</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Backing up my further comments, surely the point made by John Zidek is that statistician should be involved in scientific resolutions but they currently are not.

I think a nice article on statistical methods in paleoclimatology for the Journal of the Royal Statistical Society is exactly what the doctor orders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Backing up my further comments, surely the point made by John Zidek is that statistician should be involved in scientific resolutions but they currently are not.</p>
<p>I think a nice article on statistical methods in paleoclimatology for the Journal of the Royal Statistical Society is exactly what the doctor orders.</p>
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		<title>By: David Pannell</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Pannell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I strongly agree that the best strategy involves a combination of formal journal publication and less formal blogging. You can&#039;t hope to have the credibility you need without peer-reviewed journal publications behind you, but you also can&#039;t hope to deal with all the relevant issues in journal articles. I think I&#039;d suggest adjusting the current emphasis a bit more towards journals, but you are already in the right ball park.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree that the best strategy involves a combination of formal journal publication and less formal blogging. You can&#8217;t hope to have the credibility you need without peer-reviewed journal publications behind you, but you also can&#8217;t hope to deal with all the relevant issues in journal articles. I think I&#8217;d suggest adjusting the current emphasis a bit more towards journals, but you are already in the right ball park.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Boden</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G. Boden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When freshwater ecology was maturing as a discipline, a volume called Limnological Methods (P.S. Welch, 1948) helped to standardize the techniques used for measuring and analysis.  Generations of ecologists have cut their teeth on it (and later improved versions) as part of their basic training in undergraduate research courses.  It&#039;s becoming very apparent that paleoclimatological research needs something similar, both in field/lab methods and statistical techniques.  Maybe its time to establish minimum standards that set a baseline for passing the &#039;climate audit.&#039; At the very least it would serve as a guideline/checklist for peer-reviewers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When freshwater ecology was maturing as a discipline, a volume called Limnological Methods (P.S. Welch, 1948) helped to standardize the techniques used for measuring and analysis.  Generations of ecologists have cut their teeth on it (and later improved versions) as part of their basic training in undergraduate research courses.  It&#8217;s becoming very apparent that paleoclimatological research needs something similar, both in field/lab methods and statistical techniques.  Maybe its time to establish minimum standards that set a baseline for passing the &#8216;climate audit.&#8217; At the very least it would serve as a guideline/checklist for peer-reviewers.</p>
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		<title>By: McCall</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McCall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 03:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and Geo-Physics is where this debate should have been in the first place.  IMO, general science mags don&#039;t have the staff, nor the specialization to properly audit what they published in the past (duh!).  Nor will they succeed in a future of specialized and niche scientific expertise and quick-turn e-publishing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and Geo-Physics is where this debate should have been in the first place.  IMO, general science mags don&#8217;t have the staff, nor the specialization to properly audit what they published in the past (duh!).  Nor will they succeed in a future of specialized and niche scientific expertise and quick-turn e-publishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/03/26/two-editorials/#comment-47186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 03:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the support. I think that you all have the right tone. There are some things that need to be written up - I acknowledge this. But if I hadn&#039;t pushed back at the Hockey Team from the blog, I would have been bullied off the field without being heard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the support. I think that you all have the right tone. There are some things that need to be written up &#8211; I acknowledge this. But if I hadn&#8217;t pushed back at the Hockey Team from the blog, I would have been bullied off the field without being heard.</p>
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