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	<title>Comments on: In the Mail</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 12:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The original data sets are undoubtedly from those authors. However, none of those authors was a coauthor of Briffa (2000), which produced  site chronologies using Briffa&#039;s method. These in turn have gone on to be used in nearly every single subsequent study. Sometimes data has been used without permission - e.g. Moberg. But if people want to use data in big multiproxy studies, then they should be able to produce it. If they can&#039;t produce it, don&#039;t use it. It&#039;s pretty simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original data sets are undoubtedly from those authors. However, none of those authors was a coauthor of Briffa (2000), which produced  site chronologies using Briffa&#8217;s method. These in turn have gone on to be used in nearly every single subsequent study. Sometimes data has been used without permission &#8211; e.g. Moberg. But if people want to use data in big multiproxy studies, then they should be able to produce it. If they can&#8217;t produce it, don&#8217;t use it. It&#8217;s pretty simple.</p>
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		<title>By: maksimovich</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 06:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the original datasets were from the Ekaterinburg Institute of plant and animal ecology RF.Stefan Shiyatov,Rashid Hantemirov.M.Naurzbaev,H.Grudd supplied the sets 1-1997 to Briffa .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the original datasets were from the Ekaterinburg Institute of plant and animal ecology RF.Stefan Shiyatov,Rashid Hantemirov.M.Naurzbaev,H.Grudd supplied the sets 1-1997 to Briffa .</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 16:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are the Ruskis fabricating data in order to mess with the West? Inquiring minds want to know. It&#039;s not an unreasonable question, since they&#039;ve done it before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the Ruskis fabricating data in order to mess with the West? Inquiring minds want to know. It&#8217;s not an unreasonable question, since they&#8217;ve done it before.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s kicking, screaming, and heel-dragging all the way isn&#039;t it. So Osborn doesn&#039;t have the data used in the paper on which he&#039;s first author, and doesn&#039;t volunteer information on where that data may be.

As a scientist, if someone asked me for data, which I didn&#039;t have but which were used in one of my papers, I&#039;d know exactly who has it and would volunteer the name of the collaborator from whom it might be obtained. And, in fact, I&#039;d be an advocate of the requestor in getting that data from my collaborator. There is no substitute for demonstration in science. I&#039;d want all my conclusions to be clearly demonstrable from the data. Sharing data is the scientifically requisite way of demonstrating that one&#039;s own conclusions are at least reasonable, if not correct (there&#039;s no dishonor in science for being thoughtfully wrong).

Steve, when all is said and done, and the scientific shouting is over, sharing your cumulative experiences in getting the various data sets would be an enormously telling story all by itself. The field has been totally corrupted with politics, and evidence of that shows up in the hostility and deliberate lack of cooperation shown towards any critical regard, i.e., towards you, in short.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kicking, screaming, and heel-dragging all the way isn&#8217;t it. So Osborn doesn&#8217;t have the data used in the paper on which he&#8217;s first author, and doesn&#8217;t volunteer information on where that data may be.</p>
<p>As a scientist, if someone asked me for data, which I didn&#8217;t have but which were used in one of my papers, I&#8217;d know exactly who has it and would volunteer the name of the collaborator from whom it might be obtained. And, in fact, I&#8217;d be an advocate of the requestor in getting that data from my collaborator. There is no substitute for demonstration in science. I&#8217;d want all my conclusions to be clearly demonstrable from the data. Sharing data is the scientifically requisite way of demonstrating that one&#8217;s own conclusions are at least reasonable, if not correct (there&#8217;s no dishonor in science for being thoughtfully wrong).</p>
<p>Steve, when all is said and done, and the scientific shouting is over, sharing your cumulative experiences in getting the various data sets would be an enormously telling story all by itself. The field has been totally corrupted with politics, and evidence of that shows up in the hostility and deliberate lack of cooperation shown towards any critical regard, i.e., towards you, in short.</p>
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