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		<title>By: fFreddy</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/06/14/a-few-inconvenient-truths/#comment-53062</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee, penalising Hunter for being a prima donna with his data is entirely consistent with what Steve has been doing on this blog. It is entirely irrelevant to your arguments with John A.

John A, I&#039;m beginning to get curious about the number of relatively new posters on this thread who are trying to pick a fight between you and Steve. Are you able to see the IP addresses from which they are posting ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, penalising Hunter for being a prima donna with his data is entirely consistent with what Steve has been doing on this blog. It is entirely irrelevant to your arguments with John A.</p>
<p>John A, I&#8217;m beginning to get curious about the number of relatively new posters on this thread who are trying to pick a fight between you and Steve. Are you able to see the IP addresses from which they are posting ?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/06/14/a-few-inconvenient-truths/#comment-53061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee, John Hunter is not banned and the data access issue is distinct from his catfight with John A.  All he has to do to post here is provide a working URL to the data in question, which he may do at the Road Map thread.  The Get Used to It taunt was raised before the present kerfuffle with John A. I meant to deal with it earlier as it irritated me quite independently. I wish that I&#039;d done so people would not confuse the two.

Lee, taunting and fighting are a different issue.  The taunting and fighting on this thread have long out-lived any conceivable purpose. This thread is now closed. Any attempt to continue the fight on other threads will be deleted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, John Hunter is not banned and the data access issue is distinct from his catfight with John A.  All he has to do to post here is provide a working URL to the data in question, which he may do at the Road Map thread.  The Get Used to It taunt was raised before the present kerfuffle with John A. I meant to deal with it earlier as it irritated me quite independently. I wish that I&#8217;d done so people would not confuse the two.</p>
<p>Lee, taunting and fighting are a different issue.  The taunting and fighting on this thread have long out-lived any conceivable purpose. This thread is now closed. Any attempt to continue the fight on other threads will be deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/06/14/a-few-inconvenient-truths/#comment-53060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re 292

Peter Hartlod, the only references to &quot;Photonic remittance&quot; on the internet point to you.

No I don&#039;t have a clue what you are writing about, but hey, I&#039;m just a simple geophysicist, what can you expect.

Please don&#039;t reply to this message.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 292</p>
<p>Peter Hartlod, the only references to &#8220;Photonic remittance&#8221; on the internet point to you.</p>
<p>No I don&#8217;t have a clue what you are writing about, but hey, I&#8217;m just a simple geophysicist, what can you expect.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t reply to this message.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/06/14/a-few-inconvenient-truths/#comment-53059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, I see that, in response to several recent posts with JohnA becoming increasing more unpleasant, you post that you are banning John Hunter?  WTF?

BTW, your &quot;maintainer,&quot; who as I&#039;ve pointed out is by any reasonable working definition a co-moderator, has been dishonest and is continuing to be dishonest in his responses to me (one of many examples is outlined below), and has mischaracterized much of this thread, including completely ignoring substantive responses to his, (and yes, I&#039;ll say it) dishonest tripe. Yes, that is a bald assertion; read JohnA&#039;s last several posts, including the fact that he came in swinging this weekend and ignored several good and substantive subthreads relevant to things he was arguing last week, and tell me why he deserves any more.

But here is some evidence anyway, one piece of many in this thread: JohnA posted a graph which he reported showed that there was no correlation between CO2 and temp.  When I said that I wasnt convinced that there was no correlation and could he report the numeric correlation result, he repeatedly refused to do so and blasted me for using what he called a &quot;squint test&quot; to &quot;find a correlation.&quot;  When I pointed out that I was not making a claim that there was a correlation, merely saying that it looked a sif there might be and asking him for a quantitative demonstration that the graph showed what he claimed, continued several times to falsely blast me for eyeballing a correlation... and then, JohnA admitted that in the paper from which that graph came, it states that THERE IS A CORRELATION, again without actually reporting the numbers, but then claimed there obviously was no correlation anyway, from looking at it.. and then contined to blast me for using a &quot;squint test&quot; to find a correlation. IOW, JohnA was dishonest from the start in claiming that the graph demonstrated there waas no correlation, he was dishonest in attackng me for making claims about the corelation, while HE was such c;aims and I was not, he attacked me for using a &quot;squint test&quot; methodology that HE was using to deny the REPORTED correlation, and now he continues to attack me and others for daring to comment on the bad science in what he posted... bad science that you, Steve, distanced yourself from early on.  And he contines to attack me and others, in quite unpleasant ways, for daring to state that something scientists said was tripe and garbage - STeve, I shouldn&#039;t need to remind you that finding garbage claims by scientists is the purpose of your blog.  Adn he has the ability to post top articvles, and to moderate.

And so, you ban JH.  Good on ya, Steve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I see that, in response to several recent posts with JohnA becoming increasing more unpleasant, you post that you are banning John Hunter?  WTF?</p>
<p>BTW, your &#8220;maintainer,&#8221; who as I&#8217;ve pointed out is by any reasonable working definition a co-moderator, has been dishonest and is continuing to be dishonest in his responses to me (one of many examples is outlined below), and has mischaracterized much of this thread, including completely ignoring substantive responses to his, (and yes, I&#8217;ll say it) dishonest tripe. Yes, that is a bald assertion; read JohnA&#8217;s last several posts, including the fact that he came in swinging this weekend and ignored several good and substantive subthreads relevant to things he was arguing last week, and tell me why he deserves any more.</p>
<p>But here is some evidence anyway, one piece of many in this thread: JohnA posted a graph which he reported showed that there was no correlation between CO2 and temp.  When I said that I wasnt convinced that there was no correlation and could he report the numeric correlation result, he repeatedly refused to do so and blasted me for using what he called a &#8220;squint test&#8221; to &#8220;find a correlation.&#8221;  When I pointed out that I was not making a claim that there was a correlation, merely saying that it looked a sif there might be and asking him for a quantitative demonstration that the graph showed what he claimed, continued several times to falsely blast me for eyeballing a correlation&#8230; and then, JohnA admitted that in the paper from which that graph came, it states that THERE IS A CORRELATION, again without actually reporting the numbers, but then claimed there obviously was no correlation anyway, from looking at it.. and then contined to blast me for using a &#8220;squint test&#8221; to find a correlation. IOW, JohnA was dishonest from the start in claiming that the graph demonstrated there waas no correlation, he was dishonest in attackng me for making claims about the corelation, while HE was such c;aims and I was not, he attacked me for using a &#8220;squint test&#8221; methodology that HE was using to deny the REPORTED correlation, and now he continues to attack me and others for daring to comment on the bad science in what he posted&#8230; bad science that you, Steve, distanced yourself from early on.  And he contines to attack me and others, in quite unpleasant ways, for daring to state that something scientists said was tripe and garbage &#8211; STeve, I shouldn&#8217;t need to remind you that finding garbage claims by scientists is the purpose of your blog.  Adn he has the ability to post top articvles, and to moderate.</p>
<p>And so, you ban JH.  Good on ya, Steve.</p>
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		<title>By: jae</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/06/14/a-few-inconvenient-truths/#comment-53058</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: 314.   Steve, thanks for ending this stupid game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 314.   Steve, thanks for ending this stupid game.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/06/14/a-few-inconvenient-truths/#comment-53057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, enough already. The only reason why John Hunter is so fascinated with John A is the hope that he can find some connection of John A to Big Oil in the hopes that that will embarrass me, since Hunter seems either incapable or uninterested in responding to any issue that I bring up here. John A is not Myron Ebell in disguise. He&#039;s just a computer consultant in England. If it turned out (unknown to me) that John A was Myron Ebell in disguise, then I&#039;d be quite surprised, but it would not disprove any point that I&#039;ve made about multiproxy studies. John A, please do not rise to Hunter&#039;s baiting. It&#039;s better to just ignore him.

However, speaking of John &quot;Get Used To It&quot; Hunter, I must say that I see red when Hunter says &quot;Get Used To It&quot; as an excuse for playing silly bugger with data access.  I tried to deal with this once before and got tricked somewhat. I had previously noted that Hunter&#039;s archiving was not high on my own interest level, but said that if he wanted to continue posting here, his next post would contain a URL to the data in question.

In his next post, he provided URLs to two data archives. I thought that he had complied with my condition. Unfortunately, I did not specifically check the URLs at the time. It turns out that neither URL was a URL to the data. As Hunter has pointed out, he has emailed me the data and I can confirm that the size of the data set is not large and, accordingly, there is no obstacle to Hunter posting the data at his own website, pending public availability of the data at one of the national archives.

So I&#039;ll try once again to deal with &quot;Get Used to It&quot; Hunter. If you want to continue posting here, your next post to appear here will contain a working URL to the data; any others will be marked as spam. This time I will check the URL to verify that it contains the data that you sent me. If you don&#039;t like it, then, as you say, get used to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, enough already. The only reason why John Hunter is so fascinated with John A is the hope that he can find some connection of John A to Big Oil in the hopes that that will embarrass me, since Hunter seems either incapable or uninterested in responding to any issue that I bring up here. John A is not Myron Ebell in disguise. He&#8217;s just a computer consultant in England. If it turned out (unknown to me) that John A was Myron Ebell in disguise, then I&#8217;d be quite surprised, but it would not disprove any point that I&#8217;ve made about multiproxy studies. John A, please do not rise to Hunter&#8217;s baiting. It&#8217;s better to just ignore him.</p>
<p>However, speaking of John &#8220;Get Used To It&#8221; Hunter, I must say that I see red when Hunter says &#8220;Get Used To It&#8221; as an excuse for playing silly bugger with data access.  I tried to deal with this once before and got tricked somewhat. I had previously noted that Hunter&#8217;s archiving was not high on my own interest level, but said that if he wanted to continue posting here, his next post would contain a URL to the data in question.</p>
<p>In his next post, he provided URLs to two data archives. I thought that he had complied with my condition. Unfortunately, I did not specifically check the URLs at the time. It turns out that neither URL was a URL to the data. As Hunter has pointed out, he has emailed me the data and I can confirm that the size of the data set is not large and, accordingly, there is no obstacle to Hunter posting the data at his own website, pending public availability of the data at one of the national archives.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll try once again to deal with &#8220;Get Used to It&#8221; Hunter. If you want to continue posting here, your next post to appear here will contain a working URL to the data; any others will be marked as spam. This time I will check the URL to verify that it contains the data that you sent me. If you don&#8217;t like it, then, as you say, get used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: jae</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/06/14/a-few-inconvenient-truths/#comment-53056</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SUMMARY 06/19/06.  It looks to me like there is still no definite proof of AGW.  Many, if not most, of the proxy boys and girls won&#039;t share their raw data, presumably because they are afraid Steve will expose their bad statistics and science.  And the models are next to worthless, as it appears most modelers even agree. And we can&#039;t get the raw data from Jones on the SAT.  Where the hell are the FACTS?  What a sad state of affairs.  Meanwhile, the media continues the frenzy.  LMAO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUMMARY 06/19/06.  It looks to me like there is still no definite proof of AGW.  Many, if not most, of the proxy boys and girls won&#8217;t share their raw data, presumably because they are afraid Steve will expose their bad statistics and science.  And the models are next to worthless, as it appears most modelers even agree. And we can&#8217;t get the raw data from Jones on the SAT.  Where the hell are the FACTS?  What a sad state of affairs.  Meanwhile, the media continues the frenzy.  LMAO.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #310 - Oops, I forgot, modernity&#039;s rules state that rendering value judgements is extremely politically incorrect. So sorry, I am way out of line. Please report me to the pyramid. Big brother is love.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #310 &#8211; Oops, I forgot, modernity&#8217;s rules state that rendering value judgements is extremely politically incorrect. So sorry, I am way out of line. Please report me to the pyramid. Big brother is love.</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/06/14/a-few-inconvenient-truths/#comment-53054</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter H,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;the classic symptoms of paranoia from a psychopathic personality.&quot; This kind of character assination is, surely, unnecessary taunting?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No it isn&#039;t. I happen to know quite a lot about the symptomatic behavior of people with clinical paranoia - it is not a taunt, but a considered opinion based upon experience. I am also confident that a fair psychologist reading John Hunter&#039;s posts, website and other output would come to a similar conclusion. Classic paranoid behavior is to attribute opposition to one&#039;s own personal beliefs from sinister organizations or conspiracies - which is exactly what John Hunter has done  and why I refuse to put my family&#039;s welfare anywhere near somebody like that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t even own a car, using my feet, public transport and a bicycle to go to customer sites and mainly workin from home - but I must be a &quot;stooge of vested interests&quot; in a deep undercover operation, at least to the transparently and obviously paranoid mind.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Actually I&#039;m quite happy to believe the former (as best I can ascertain, like me, John A is a committed private citizen unfunded by anyone other than himself but from an opposite pov to myself). Therefore the latter does not apply to me and is, I guess, another attack on John Hunter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


No it isn&#039;t. It&#039;s a statement that John Hunter attributes an impression of me that could not be further from the truth, as if he cared. Nevertheless &quot;stooge of vested interests&quot; is Hunter&#039;s expression, not mine.

&lt;blockquote&gt;However, it remains the case that it&#039;s really odd that John A lives in such fear of people like me. Frankly I find it really offensive that he does - it offends, my, and others, good character. I truly wish he&#039;d see and acknowledge this :(&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t fear you so much as I dislike personal visibility on the Internet, particularly as it has so many clearly mentally unstable people on it. Try not to take it personally.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps as a compromise John A could state (in the kind of way I did further up) that HE doesn&#039;t fear specific active contributors here, but perhaps just inactive one?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have no idea what this means. I am a very private person. I don&#039;t seek fame or notoriety, which is why I keep my professional and personal life well away from the Internet, because it is no-one&#039;s business but my own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter H,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;the classic symptoms of paranoia from a psychopathic personality.&#8221; This kind of character assination is, surely, unnecessary taunting?</p></blockquote>
<p>No it isn&#8217;t. I happen to know quite a lot about the symptomatic behavior of people with clinical paranoia &#8211; it is not a taunt, but a considered opinion based upon experience. I am also confident that a fair psychologist reading John Hunter&#8217;s posts, website and other output would come to a similar conclusion. Classic paranoid behavior is to attribute opposition to one&#8217;s own personal beliefs from sinister organizations or conspiracies &#8211; which is exactly what John Hunter has done  and why I refuse to put my family&#8217;s welfare anywhere near somebody like that.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t even own a car, using my feet, public transport and a bicycle to go to customer sites and mainly workin from home &#8211; but I must be a &#8220;stooge of vested interests&#8221; in a deep undercover operation, at least to the transparently and obviously paranoid mind.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Actually I&#8217;m quite happy to believe the former (as best I can ascertain, like me, John A is a committed private citizen unfunded by anyone other than himself but from an opposite pov to myself). Therefore the latter does not apply to me and is, I guess, another attack on John Hunter.</p></blockquote>
<p>No it isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s a statement that John Hunter attributes an impression of me that could not be further from the truth, as if he cared. Nevertheless &quot;stooge of vested interests&quot; is Hunter&#8217;s expression, not mine.</p>
<blockquote><p>However, it remains the case that it&#8217;s really odd that John A lives in such fear of people like me. Frankly I find it really offensive that he does &#8211; it offends, my, and others, good character. I truly wish he&#8217;d see and acknowledge this <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t fear you so much as I dislike personal visibility on the Internet, particularly as it has so many clearly mentally unstable people on it. Try not to take it personally.</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps as a compromise John A could state (in the kind of way I did further up) that HE doesn&#8217;t fear specific active contributors here, but perhaps just inactive one?</p></blockquote>
<p>I have no idea what this means. I am a very private person. I don&#8217;t seek fame or notoriety, which is why I keep my professional and personal life well away from the Internet, because it is no-one&#8217;s business but my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hearnden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Hearnden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#309, another highly personnalised and unpleasant post...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#309, another highly personnalised and unpleasant post&#8230;</p>
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