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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: More on Positive and Negative Responders « Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-372496</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More on Positive and Negative Responders « Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] CA was the first blog to discuss the recent papers by Wilmking and his associates on &#8220;positive and negative responders&#8221; &#8211; the opposite response of trees to recent warming in which &#8211; at the same site &#8211; some trees responded positively and some negatively. This is an important observation in trying to provide an explanation for the &#8220;divergence&#8221; problem &#8211; ring widths going down while temperatures go up. Previous discussions included:Wilmking in Alaska and Positive and Negative Responders. Other related posts include Upside Down Quadratic, Twisted Tree Heartrot Hill , bender on Gaspé  Survivorship Bias . [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] CA was the first blog to discuss the recent papers by Wilmking and his associates on &#8220;positive and negative responders&#8221; &#8211; the opposite response of trees to recent warming in which &#8211; at the same site &#8211; some trees responded positively and some negatively. This is an important observation in trying to provide an explanation for the &#8220;divergence&#8221; problem &#8211; ring widths going down while temperatures go up. Previous discussions included:Wilmking in Alaska and Positive and Negative Responders. Other related posts include Upside Down Quadratic, Twisted Tree Heartrot Hill , bender on Gaspé  Survivorship Bias . [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58983</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I made it up myself, Steve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made it up myself, Steve.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bender, what was the original source of the Ho graphic shown above?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bender, what was the original source of the Ho graphic shown above?</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58981</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Lloyd (1997, &lt;em&gt;CJFR&lt;/em&gt;: 27, p. 940) on foxtails:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Past episodes of unfavorable climate led to the death of the most marginal individuals (those within approximately 100 m of tree line; Lloyd &amp; Graumlich 1997), while leaving individuals short distances from the edge (100-200m) unaffected (this study).&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lloyd (Fig 2) shows peak per capita mortality occurring during the megadrought of AD1150, at a rate of 0.09/50 years. I note that death rates for &quot;marginal&quot; and less marginal trees would not need to differ by much to produce strong survivorship bias in the tree-ring record.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Lloyd (1997, <em>CJFR</em>: 27, p. 940) on foxtails:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Past episodes of unfavorable climate led to the death of the most marginal individuals (those within approximately 100 m of tree line; Lloyd &amp; Graumlich 1997), while leaving individuals short distances from the edge (100-200m) unaffected (this study).&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Lloyd (Fig 2) shows peak per capita mortality occurring during the megadrought of AD1150, at a rate of 0.09/50 years. I note that death rates for &#8220;marginal&#8221; and less marginal trees would not need to differ by much to produce strong survivorship bias in the tree-ring record.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Muse on &quot;storage carbohydrates&quot;.

Further to #34. See:

Horsley, S.B., Long, R.P., Bailey, S.W., Hallett, R.A., and Hall, T.J. 2000. Factors associated with the decline disease of sugar maple on the Allegheny Plateau. Can. J. For. Res. 30: 1365--1378.

Horsley, S.B., Long, R.P., Bailey, S.W., Hallett, R.A., and Wargo, P.M. 2002. Health of Eastern North American Sugar Maple Forests and Factors Affecting Decline. Northern Journal of Applied Forestry 19: 34-44.

Bourque, C., Cox, R., Allen, D., Arp, P., Meng, F. 2005. Spatial extent of winter thaw events in eastern North America: historical weather records in relation to yellow birch decline. Global Change Biology 11 (9): 1477-1492.

Each finger &quot;root storage carbohydrates&quot; as the mechanism by which Mg/Mn nutrition, soil thaw-freeze events, and insect defoliation cause hardwood decline.

One wonders whether bcp &quot;storage carbohydrates&quot; (roots or foliage) might be part of:
-the 20th c. uptick in annual growth of strip-bark forms
-the divergence problem (positive and negative responders)
-drought-caused decline of high-elevation pines]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muse on &#8220;storage carbohydrates&#8221;.</p>
<p>Further to #34. See:</p>
<p>Horsley, S.B., Long, R.P., Bailey, S.W., Hallett, R.A., and Hall, T.J. 2000. Factors associated with the decline disease of sugar maple on the Allegheny Plateau. Can. J. For. Res. 30: 1365&#8211;1378.</p>
<p>Horsley, S.B., Long, R.P., Bailey, S.W., Hallett, R.A., and Wargo, P.M. 2002. Health of Eastern North American Sugar Maple Forests and Factors Affecting Decline. Northern Journal of Applied Forestry 19: 34-44.</p>
<p>Bourque, C., Cox, R., Allen, D., Arp, P., Meng, F. 2005. Spatial extent of winter thaw events in eastern North America: historical weather records in relation to yellow birch decline. Global Change Biology 11 (9): 1477-1492.</p>
<p>Each finger &#8220;root storage carbohydrates&#8221; as the mechanism by which Mg/Mn nutrition, soil thaw-freeze events, and insect defoliation cause hardwood decline.</p>
<p>One wonders whether bcp &#8220;storage carbohydrates&#8221; (roots or foliage) might be part of:<br />
-the 20th c. uptick in annual growth of strip-bark forms<br />
-the divergence problem (positive and negative responders)<br />
-drought-caused decline of high-elevation pines</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58979</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The characteristics and likely causes of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/drought/medieval.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Medieval megadroughts&lt;/a&gt; in North America]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The characteristics and likely causes of the <a href="http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/drought/medieval.shtml" rel="nofollow">Medieval megadroughts</a> in North America</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58978</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google: &quot;elevated aridity and megadroughts&quot; and search for the abstract by Ed Cook.

Surprised no one has mentioned &quot;megadroughts&quot; here yet. Sounds like the kind of thing that could burn up bristlecone pines, thus forcing them out of the tree-ring record.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google: &#8220;elevated aridity and megadroughts&#8221; and search for the abstract by Ed Cook.</p>
<p>Surprised no one has mentioned &#8220;megadroughts&#8221; here yet. Sounds like the kind of thing that could burn up bristlecone pines, thus forcing them out of the tree-ring record.</p>
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		<title>By: James Lane</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58977</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bristlecones in the news:

http://tinyurl.com/ewpac]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bristlecones in the news:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ewpac" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ewpac</a></p>
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		<title>By: fFreddy</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58976</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fFreddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, but the film rights should be worth a bob or two ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but the film rights should be worth a bob or two &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/08/04/survivorship-bias/#comment-58975</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, you need a research chair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you need a research chair.</p>
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