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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64080</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fragility of his inferred trend (exaggerated by the pinning effect of not deleteting smoothed endpoints) will probably be exposed once the relatively calm 2006 data are all in. Nothing like an honest-to-goodness out-of-sample validation test.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fragility of his inferred trend (exaggerated by the pinning effect of not deleteting smoothed endpoints) will probably be exposed once the relatively calm 2006 data are all in. Nothing like an honest-to-goodness out-of-sample validation test.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This appears to be true, but not surprising since the historical record only goes back to 1950. Weren&#039;t the 1960s-1970s a period of aerosol cooling? If so, then a post-1970s trend is not unexpected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appears to be true, but not surprising since the historical record only goes back to 1950. Weren&#8217;t the 1960s-1970s a period of aerosol cooling? If so, then a post-1970s trend is not unexpected.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Emanuel&#039;s reply to the Landsea communication in Nature:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I maintain that current levels of tropical storminess are unprecedented in the historical record and that a global-warming signal is now emerging in records of hurricane activity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Emanuel&#8217;s reply to the Landsea communication in Nature:</p>
<blockquote><p>I maintain that current levels of tropical storminess are unprecedented in the historical record and that a global-warming signal is now emerging in records of hurricane activity.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Willis Eschenbach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64077</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willis Eschenbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #84, you say

&lt;blockquote&gt;* the all-event PDI chart that Emanuel e-mailed to Willis is noticeably different from 1995 on, when compared to his original Figure 1. Any idea if that is due to Emanuel changing his smoothing technique, or due to a change in his database?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Probable a change in the smoothing, as he had been notified by Landsea of the problem.

w.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #84, you say</p>
<blockquote><p>* the all-event PDI chart that Emanuel e-mailed to Willis is noticeably different from 1995 on, when compared to his original Figure 1. Any idea if that is due to Emanuel changing his smoothing technique, or due to a change in his database?</p></blockquote>
<p>Probable a change in the smoothing, as he had been notified by Landsea of the problem.</p>
<p>w.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64076</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #86

-reluctance to get involved
-ego&#039;s drive to show someone up
-fanatic hate of error &amp; lies
-love of camaraderie

Dynamic forces jostling with &amp; against each other (tension, compression) leading to cyclic patterns of progress. Sometimes lecturing trolls. Sometimes doing real work. It&#039;s all good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #86</p>
<p>-reluctance to get involved<br />
-ego&#8217;s drive to show someone up<br />
-fanatic hate of error &amp; lies<br />
-love of camaraderie</p>
<p>Dynamic forces jostling with &amp; against each other (tension, compression) leading to cyclic patterns of progress. Sometimes lecturing trolls. Sometimes doing real work. It&#8217;s all good.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64075</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dislike interrupting the fine detective work that Willis E, bender and David S are doing in disassembling and understanding the work that Emanuel has published, but I did want to say how great it is to follow the process and what has been accomplished.  What a change it has been from the tutorial on standard/sampling error with the recalcitrant students.

In a former life I was part of a group that on occasion would take apart technical papers looking for findings that could be applied to an electronics manufacturing process.  Others in the group were often much more technically orientated and knowledgeable than I and that made the process a more enjoyable learning experience for me.

An aspect that seemed constant with this process was that the science and technical parts were much more readily understood than the motivations of the authors of the papers.   We often would contact authors and put questions to them directly when they were not employed by a competing organization or meet them at conferences and discover that we had the science right but the personal motivations and, therefore, sometimes the stated conclusions or limitations, wrong.  I always thought a few beers and an engineer&#039;s/scientist&#039;s ego were a deadly combination for extracting background information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dislike interrupting the fine detective work that Willis E, bender and David S are doing in disassembling and understanding the work that Emanuel has published, but I did want to say how great it is to follow the process and what has been accomplished.  What a change it has been from the tutorial on standard/sampling error with the recalcitrant students.</p>
<p>In a former life I was part of a group that on occasion would take apart technical papers looking for findings that could be applied to an electronics manufacturing process.  Others in the group were often much more technically orientated and knowledgeable than I and that made the process a more enjoyable learning experience for me.</p>
<p>An aspect that seemed constant with this process was that the science and technical parts were much more readily understood than the motivations of the authors of the papers.   We often would contact authors and put questions to them directly when they were not employed by a competing organization or meet them at conferences and discover that we had the science right but the personal motivations and, therefore, sometimes the stated conclusions or limitations, wrong.  I always thought a few beers and an engineer&#8217;s/scientist&#8217;s ego were a deadly combination for extracting background information.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #81 No confusion on this end.
Re #82
&lt;blockquote&gt;Because the start and end points are low and high respectively for both the PDI and the SST, this converts a &quot;U&quot; shaped curve into more of a hockeystick shape, by pinning the start low and the end high &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very sharp observation. I was just going to investigate that possibility. This is exactly where my U-shaped smoothing was deviating from his HS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #81 No confusion on this end.<br />
Re #82</p>
<blockquote><p>Because the start and end points are low and high respectively for both the PDI and the SST, this converts a &#8220;U&#8221; shaped curve into more of a hockeystick shape, by pinning the start low and the end high </p></blockquote>
<p>Very sharp observation. I was just going to investigate that possibility. This is exactly where my U-shaped smoothing was deviating from his HS.</p>
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		<title>By: David Smith</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64073</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You all are moving faster than I can track! A question and a comment:

* the all-event PDI chart that Emanuel e-mailed to Willis is noticeably different from 1995 on, when compared to his original Figure 1. Any idea if that is due to Emanuel changing his smoothing technique, or due to a change in his database?

* the inclusion of 6N to 9N in the SST box helps convert an oscillating SST pattern (1930-2003)into more of a hockey stick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all are moving faster than I can track! A question and a comment:</p>
<p>* the all-event PDI chart that Emanuel e-mailed to Willis is noticeably different from 1995 on, when compared to his original Figure 1. Any idea if that is due to Emanuel changing his smoothing technique, or due to a change in his database?</p>
<p>* the inclusion of 6N to 9N in the SST box helps convert an oscillating SST pattern (1930-2003)into more of a hockey stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis Eschenbach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willis Eschenbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t sleep ... a couple more comments ...

1) While there is a significant trend in the HadISST in the area from 1949-2003, there is no significant trend 1931-2003.

2) While there is a small relationship between the September HadISST sea temperature and the original PDI (r^2 = 0.21, p = 0.01), the relationship drops to r^2 = 0.08, p=0.12 when we use the August to October HadISST sea temperature ... looks like my original suspicions of cherry picking were correct.

More to come ... tomorrow.

w.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t sleep &#8230; a couple more comments &#8230;</p>
<p>1) While there is a significant trend in the HadISST in the area from 1949-2003, there is no significant trend 1931-2003.</p>
<p>2) While there is a small relationship between the September HadISST sea temperature and the original PDI (r^2 = 0.21, p = 0.01), the relationship drops to r^2 = 0.08, p=0.12 when we use the August to October HadISST sea temperature &#8230; looks like my original suspicions of cherry picking were correct.</p>
<p>More to come &#8230; tomorrow.</p>
<p>w.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis Eschenbach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/09/20/bender-on-hurricane-counts-continued/#comment-64071</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willis Eschenbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, got the HadISST data ... here&#039;s the story.

Emanuel used the HadISST data, smoothed three times (not four, as with the PDI data). Here&#039;s the match:



At this point, we can do some actual analysis of the results ... the three unsmoothed datasets, appended at the end of this post, have the following characteristics.

1) NONE of the three has a significant trend. The figures are as follows:

ITEM , Orig PDI , HadISST , Adj PDI
Trend z , -0.87 , 1.37 , -0.10
Kendall z , -1.26 , 1.58 , -0.62

The &quot;Trend z&quot; is the significance of the trend, using Nychka&#039;s adjustment for autocorrelation:

$latex Neff = N\frac{1-r(1)-0.68\sqrt{N}}{1+r(1)+0.68\sqrt{N}} $

The &quot;Kendall z&quot; is the significance of the trend, using Kendall&#039;s non-parametric trend test.


2) The SST is related to both the adjusted and unadjusted PDI, as follows:

ITEM , Orig PDI vs HadISST , Adj PDI vs HadISST
r^2 , 0.21 , 0.25
p value , 0.01 , 0.002

The p value has been calculated using Bartletts formula for the effective N,

$latex Neff \approx \frac{N}{1+\sum\begin{array}{l} N\\k=1 \end{array}r1(k)r2(k)} $

While these relationships are statistically significant, they are quite small.

3) The method of smoothing (pinning the end points and repeatedly using a 1-2-1 smoothing filter) distorts the results. By pinning the endpoints, the start and finish of the curve are held in place, and the smoothed curve is adjusted to meet them. Because the start and end points are low and high respectively for both the PDI and the SST, this converts a &quot;U&quot; shaped curve into more of a hockeystick shape, by pinning the start low and the end high ...

It&#039;s 1:15 AM ... I&#039;m going to bed.

w.

THE DATA

Year , Orig PDI , HadISST , Adj PDI
1949 , 10.82 , 27.81 , 9.25
1950 , 30.64 , 27.92 , 26.2
1951 , 16.66 , 28.11 , 14.25
1952 , 10.41 , 28.37 , 8.9
1953 , 11.46 , 28.08 , 9.8
1954 , 13.45 , 27.81 , 11.5
1955 , 24.73 , 28.06 , 21.35
1956 , 7.08 , 27.69 , 5.3
1957 , 10.26 , 28.16 , 8.7
1958 , 14.62 , 28.20 , 12.5
1959 , 8.77 , 27.68 , 7.5
1960 , 12.96 , 27.86 , 10.2
1961 , 26.78 , 27.88 , 22.9
1962 , 3.74 , 27.97 , 3.2
1963 , 14.11 , 27.94 , 11.95
1964 , 20.77 , 27.58 , 18.05
1965 , 10.06 , 27.80 , 8.6
1966 , 17.42 , 28.05 , 14.9
1967 , 14.09 , 27.78 , 12.05
1968 , 3.18 , 27.74 , 3.65
1969 , 18.30 , 28.25 , 15.65
1970 , 3.75 , 27.88 , 3.75
1971 , 9.25 , 27.61 , 9.25
1972 , 2.9 , 27.52 , 2.9
1973 , 4.15 , 27.79 , 4.15
1974 , 7.5 , 27.46 , 7.5
1975 , 7.8 , 27.63 , 7.8
1976 , 8.6 , 27.94 , 8.6
1977 , 2.95 , 27.72 , 2.95
1978 , 6.6 , 27.59 , 6.6
1979 , 11.85 , 28.09 , 11.85
1980 , 19.3 , 28.20 , 19.3
1981 , 9.95 , 27.96 , 9.95
1982 , 3.35 , 27.67 , 3.35
1983 , 1.5 , 27.73 , 1.5
1984 , 7.45 , 27.68 , 7.45
1985 , 9.3 , 27.76 , 9.3
1986 , 3.5 , 27.94 , 3.5
1987 , 2.65 , 28.23 , 2.65
1988 , 13.1 , 28.03 , 13.1
1989 , 16.45 , 27.95 , 16.45
1990 , 8.5 , 28.34 , 8.5
1991 , 3.45 , 27.60 , 3.45
1992 , 8.85 , 27.78 , 8.85
1993 , 3.5 , 27.82 , 3.5
1994 , 2.65 , 27.79 , 2.65
1995 , 24.8 , 28.32 , 24.8
1996 , 19.55 , 28.12 , 19.55
1997 , 4.15 , 28.16 , 4.15
1998 , 21.75 , 28.48 , 21.75
1999 , 21.85 , 28.36 , 21.85
2000 , 12.2 , 27.99 , 12.2
2001 , 11.25 , 28.38 , 11.25
2002 , 6.35 , 28.01 , 6.35
2003 , 22.6 , 28.62 , 22.6]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, got the HadISST data &#8230; here&#8217;s the story.</p>
<p>Emanuel used the HadISST data, smoothed three times (not four, as with the PDI data). Here&#8217;s the match:</p>
<p>At this point, we can do some actual analysis of the results &#8230; the three unsmoothed datasets, appended at the end of this post, have the following characteristics.</p>
<p>1) NONE of the three has a significant trend. The figures are as follows:</p>
<p>ITEM , Orig PDI , HadISST , Adj PDI<br />
Trend z , -0.87 , 1.37 , -0.10<br />
Kendall z , -1.26 , 1.58 , -0.62</p>
<p>The &#8220;Trend z&#8221; is the significance of the trend, using Nychka&#8217;s adjustment for autocorrelation:</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=Neff+%3D+N%5Cfrac%7B1-r%281%29-0.68%5Csqrt%7BN%7D%7D%7B1%2Br%281%29%2B0.68%5Csqrt%7BN%7D%7D+&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000&amp;s=0' alt='Neff = N&#92;frac{1-r(1)-0.68&#92;sqrt{N}}{1+r(1)+0.68&#92;sqrt{N}} ' title='Neff = N&#92;frac{1-r(1)-0.68&#92;sqrt{N}}{1+r(1)+0.68&#92;sqrt{N}} ' class='latex' /></p>
<p>The &#8220;Kendall z&#8221; is the significance of the trend, using Kendall&#8217;s non-parametric trend test.</p>
<p>2) The SST is related to both the adjusted and unadjusted PDI, as follows:</p>
<p>ITEM , Orig PDI vs HadISST , Adj PDI vs HadISST<br />
r^2 , 0.21 , 0.25<br />
p value , 0.01 , 0.002</p>
<p>The p value has been calculated using Bartletts formula for the effective N,</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=Neff+%5Capprox+%5Cfrac%7BN%7D%7B1%2B%5Csum%5Cbegin%7Barray%7D%7Bl%7D+N%5C%5Ck%3D1+%5Cend%7Barray%7Dr1%28k%29r2%28k%29%7D+&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000&amp;s=0' alt='Neff &#92;approx &#92;frac{N}{1+&#92;sum&#92;begin{array}{l} N&#92;&#92;k=1 &#92;end{array}r1(k)r2(k)} ' title='Neff &#92;approx &#92;frac{N}{1+&#92;sum&#92;begin{array}{l} N&#92;&#92;k=1 &#92;end{array}r1(k)r2(k)} ' class='latex' /></p>
<p>While these relationships are statistically significant, they are quite small.</p>
<p>3) The method of smoothing (pinning the end points and repeatedly using a 1-2-1 smoothing filter) distorts the results. By pinning the endpoints, the start and finish of the curve are held in place, and the smoothed curve is adjusted to meet them. Because the start and end points are low and high respectively for both the PDI and the SST, this converts a &#8220;U&#8221; shaped curve into more of a hockeystick shape, by pinning the start low and the end high &#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s 1:15 AM &#8230; I&#8217;m going to bed.</p>
<p>w.</p>
<p>THE DATA</p>
<p>Year , Orig PDI , HadISST , Adj PDI<br />
1949 , 10.82 , 27.81 , 9.25<br />
1950 , 30.64 , 27.92 , 26.2<br />
1951 , 16.66 , 28.11 , 14.25<br />
1952 , 10.41 , 28.37 , 8.9<br />
1953 , 11.46 , 28.08 , 9.8<br />
1954 , 13.45 , 27.81 , 11.5<br />
1955 , 24.73 , 28.06 , 21.35<br />
1956 , 7.08 , 27.69 , 5.3<br />
1957 , 10.26 , 28.16 , 8.7<br />
1958 , 14.62 , 28.20 , 12.5<br />
1959 , 8.77 , 27.68 , 7.5<br />
1960 , 12.96 , 27.86 , 10.2<br />
1961 , 26.78 , 27.88 , 22.9<br />
1962 , 3.74 , 27.97 , 3.2<br />
1963 , 14.11 , 27.94 , 11.95<br />
1964 , 20.77 , 27.58 , 18.05<br />
1965 , 10.06 , 27.80 , 8.6<br />
1966 , 17.42 , 28.05 , 14.9<br />
1967 , 14.09 , 27.78 , 12.05<br />
1968 , 3.18 , 27.74 , 3.65<br />
1969 , 18.30 , 28.25 , 15.65<br />
1970 , 3.75 , 27.88 , 3.75<br />
1971 , 9.25 , 27.61 , 9.25<br />
1972 , 2.9 , 27.52 , 2.9<br />
1973 , 4.15 , 27.79 , 4.15<br />
1974 , 7.5 , 27.46 , 7.5<br />
1975 , 7.8 , 27.63 , 7.8<br />
1976 , 8.6 , 27.94 , 8.6<br />
1977 , 2.95 , 27.72 , 2.95<br />
1978 , 6.6 , 27.59 , 6.6<br />
1979 , 11.85 , 28.09 , 11.85<br />
1980 , 19.3 , 28.20 , 19.3<br />
1981 , 9.95 , 27.96 , 9.95<br />
1982 , 3.35 , 27.67 , 3.35<br />
1983 , 1.5 , 27.73 , 1.5<br />
1984 , 7.45 , 27.68 , 7.45<br />
1985 , 9.3 , 27.76 , 9.3<br />
1986 , 3.5 , 27.94 , 3.5<br />
1987 , 2.65 , 28.23 , 2.65<br />
1988 , 13.1 , 28.03 , 13.1<br />
1989 , 16.45 , 27.95 , 16.45<br />
1990 , 8.5 , 28.34 , 8.5<br />
1991 , 3.45 , 27.60 , 3.45<br />
1992 , 8.85 , 27.78 , 8.85<br />
1993 , 3.5 , 27.82 , 3.5<br />
1994 , 2.65 , 27.79 , 2.65<br />
1995 , 24.8 , 28.32 , 24.8<br />
1996 , 19.55 , 28.12 , 19.55<br />
1997 , 4.15 , 28.16 , 4.15<br />
1998 , 21.75 , 28.48 , 21.75<br />
1999 , 21.85 , 28.36 , 21.85<br />
2000 , 12.2 , 27.99 , 12.2<br />
2001 , 11.25 , 28.38 , 11.25<br />
2002 , 6.35 , 28.01 , 6.35<br />
2003 , 22.6 , 28.62 , 22.6</p>
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