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		<title>By: Anti-Antiscience and Statistical Parlor Tricks &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-307400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anti-Antiscience and Statistical Parlor Tricks &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] be even more embarrassing to the climate science trade than MBH98 ( see posts here , especially here here here [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be even more embarrassing to the climate science trade than MBH98 ( see posts here , especially here here here [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simply pointing out that C fertilisation (nutritional) is not the only potential gaseous atmospheric effect on dendrothermometry; that CO2 is only one choice; and that anomalous SO2 possibly has a longer record of influence on dendro than CO2 as it can come from volcanos in large quantities. Was not just talking about the last few decades, though I did not make this clear. Have visited a number of Chinese mines and would think that SO2 in the air has not reduced much, even though amelioration has been mandated in many countries. Main point relates to dendrothermometry. No matter how good a recent calibration period might be, it will be upset by a SO2 factor from smelters and fossil burning. Besides, who knows what went on in the centuries prior, especially volcanics?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply pointing out that C fertilisation (nutritional) is not the only potential gaseous atmospheric effect on dendrothermometry; that CO2 is only one choice; and that anomalous SO2 possibly has a longer record of influence on dendro than CO2 as it can come from volcanos in large quantities. Was not just talking about the last few decades, though I did not make this clear. Have visited a number of Chinese mines and would think that SO2 in the air has not reduced much, even though amelioration has been mandated in many countries. Main point relates to dendrothermometry. No matter how good a recent calibration period might be, it will be upset by a SO2 factor from smelters and fossil burning. Besides, who knows what went on in the centuries prior, especially volcanics?</p>
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		<title>By: JDN</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71576</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JDN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clayton ...

China is a leading emitter of SO2, with heavy use of low grade, high-sulfur content coal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clayton &#8230;</p>
<p>China is a leading emitter of SO2, with heavy use of low grade, high-sulfur content coal.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton B.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71575</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clayton B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[118 Geoff,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Common sources of SO2 have risen in the last decades, from sources such as combustion of dirty pyritic coal and smelting of sulphide mine ores. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

By sources rising, do you mean SO2 emissions have increased?  I&#039;m not very familiar with coal industries but many sulphide smelting operations are currently undergoing SO2 abatement projects (especially in Canada).  Also, with the implementation of more efficient acid plants, I would expect SO2 emissions to have decreased in last decades.  I&#039;m not sure we&#039;re on topic here...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>118 Geoff,</p>
<blockquote><p>Common sources of SO2 have risen in the last decades, from sources such as combustion of dirty pyritic coal and smelting of sulphide mine ores. </p></blockquote>
<p>By sources rising, do you mean SO2 emissions have increased?  I&#8217;m not very familiar with coal industries but many sulphide smelting operations are currently undergoing SO2 abatement projects (especially in Canada).  Also, with the implementation of more efficient acid plants, I would expect SO2 emissions to have decreased in last decades.  I&#8217;m not sure we&#8217;re on topic here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I may, a brief reiteration of a point on another thread that had got old.

One of the plant nutrients between the major N, P, K tio and the traces like Mo and B and Se are the intermediate nutrients. One of these is sulphur, taken up in fair quantity. We have the inverted U probability again. No sulphur and the tree dies. Too much sulphur (commonly derived from atmosphereic SO2) and you get acid rain and growth reduction. The sweet spot interacts in complex ways with other nutrients and growing conditions. I have little doubt that S deficiency or excess would affect growth ring dendrothermometry.

Common sources of SO2 have risen in the last decades, from sources such as combustion of dirty pyritic coal and smelting of sulphide mine ores. I cannot see the logic of assuming that CO2 and methane are the main culprits when SO2 has a similar ability to disturb. It might be the case that SO2 has been studied, but in casual reading I gave not seen it mentioned apart from the context of aerosols, Richard Lindzen style.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may, a brief reiteration of a point on another thread that had got old.</p>
<p>One of the plant nutrients between the major N, P, K tio and the traces like Mo and B and Se are the intermediate nutrients. One of these is sulphur, taken up in fair quantity. We have the inverted U probability again. No sulphur and the tree dies. Too much sulphur (commonly derived from atmosphereic SO2) and you get acid rain and growth reduction. The sweet spot interacts in complex ways with other nutrients and growing conditions. I have little doubt that S deficiency or excess would affect growth ring dendrothermometry.</p>
<p>Common sources of SO2 have risen in the last decades, from sources such as combustion of dirty pyritic coal and smelting of sulphide mine ores. I cannot see the logic of assuming that CO2 and methane are the main culprits when SO2 has a similar ability to disturb. It might be the case that SO2 has been studied, but in casual reading I gave not seen it mentioned apart from the context of aerosols, Richard Lindzen style.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You shouldnt do incorrect math. I&#039;m not saying you must not do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You shouldnt do incorrect math. I&#8217;m not saying you must not do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jankowski</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71572</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jankowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;[Manns] decentered methodology is simply incorrect mathematics. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
[sarcasm on]But just because it is &quot;simply incorrect&quot; doesn&#039;t mean you &lt;em&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; do it that way, right? [\sarcasm off]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>[Manns] decentered methodology is simply incorrect mathematics. </p></blockquote>
<p>[sarcasm on]But just because it is &#8220;simply incorrect&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean you <em>can&#8217;t</em> do it that way, right? [\sarcasm off]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Urbinto</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Urbinto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, wow, while reading the transcript, actually Dr. Wegman lists 6 people that peer reveiewded his report.

What a surprise, none publish with him.  Or at least not activly collborate on research papers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, wow, while reading the transcript, actually Dr. Wegman lists 6 people that peer reveiewded his report.</p>
<p>What a surprise, none publish with him.  Or at least not activly collborate on research papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dennis</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete - don&#039;t worry. I was just concerned that the spam filter at work might have been overzealous!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete &#8211; don&#8217;t worry. I was just concerned that the spam filter at work might have been overzealous!</p>
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		<title>By: James Erlandson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2006/11/30/qed/#comment-71569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Erlandson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: Should

You should not stick your hand into the lion&#039;s cage.
You should not stick your finger into the fan.
You should not pour gasoline on the fire.
You should not leave a loaded gun where little children can get at it.
You should not jump out of an airplane without a parachute.
You should not make jokes about bombs while in line at airport security.
AND
You should not use &quot;strip bark&quot; samples for temperature reconstructions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Should</p>
<p>You should not stick your hand into the lion&#8217;s cage.<br />
You should not stick your finger into the fan.<br />
You should not pour gasoline on the fire.<br />
You should not leave a loaded gun where little children can get at it.<br />
You should not jump out of an airplane without a parachute.<br />
You should not make jokes about bombs while in line at airport security.<br />
AND<br />
You should not use &#8220;strip bark&#8221; samples for temperature reconstructions.</p>
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