An Excellent Sonechkin Comment

I just noticed an excellent comment by Sonechkin (one of the Moberg authors) on the CPD submission of Bürger and Cubasch. I suspect that climateaudit readers will agree with everything that he says. The remarkable thing is that these claims, which we’ve been making for some time, should ever have been controversial. Sonechkin writes:

1) I agree with the Burger and Cubasch results and conclusions in general. Indeed, all NH reconstructions published to date gives a qualitative information only: For example, MWP and the Current Warming are warmer than LIA. But it is impossible to conclude with a certainty: either CW or MWP is warmer. It is even more so as concern centennial and decadal variations because these latter variations usually are of regional character.

2). Any calibration of proxy data is impossible if the target is decadal (and longer) temperature variations. The first reason consists of the general nonstationarity climate, in particular during the period used for a calibration. This reason is discussed in the Band C paper. The second reason consists of more or less large inertia of all kinds of proxies even including the higher-resolution proxies like tree-rings, corals and others with formally annual lamination. The effective number of degrees of freedom for the instrumental time period is very small by this reason, and so any calibration is an illusion.

3). Each proxy is a kind of thermometer with unknown scale. Moreover, such a thermometer often is inertial, and so some temperature prehistory affects any current “temperature” for certain. Even moreover, some of such “thermometers” have their scale to be varying in time. Especially it is so for tree-rings (no standardizations can overcome this defect). By this reason, the only rings of mature trees must be used as “thermometers”. The innermost rings (for about a century long period!) must be leaved without consideration. By the way, attempts to create some surrogate proxy records by adding a white noise to model outputs (in order to obtain statistically significant results of the verification of different reconstruction techniques) like those have voiced by Mike Mann et al. are very naive because of the “thermometer” scale complexity.

4). Instead of any proxy calibration with respect to the instrumental temperatures it is necessary to develop a calibration of different proxy records with each other using a COMMON time period of these proxies observation. It is the same technique that can be used to compare temperatures measured in Celsius and other instrumental scales. Such a calibration is enough to compare relative warmness or coolness of climate events in past.

5). The most important topics of the paleoresearches for nearest years must be:

- to update much more existing proxies for the current years;

- to collect a hemispheric (global) set of different proxies covering the same time period of two millennia AD and, maybe, the whole Holocene period;

- try to understand the essence of each proxy scale before creating surrogates of these;

- to develop a technique for these proxies calibration with each other over this common time period taking into account spatial variability of temperatures themselves and their proxy representation.

Basing on this new kind of calibration a completely NEW resonstruction must be done, and then compared with some model outputs.

5 Comments

  1. Posted Jan 20, 2007 at 12:49 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Well, I agree with Dmitrij SoněĒ?kin, too. Certain fashionable things obviously don’t exist in Russia, so it is acceptable to write that because of non-stationarity of the climate, calibration can’t be done at the decadal or longer timescales – and even that Mike Mann is naive. ;-)

    In Russia, there are also many of these solar physicists who are convinced that a new ice age is imminent because of some solar cycles. More generally, climate change is really not hot in the post-socialist world in general, I would say.

  2. EW
    Posted Jan 20, 2007 at 1:46 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Lubos,
    at least twice a week the Czech newspapers publish articles about the imminent anthropogenic climate warming doom. I fight on the discussion boards, but with Greens in the government now and with strong German influence on our energy politics I don’t think we will be able to resist the all-EU pressure.

    Just another Czech on the board.

  3. Steve McIntyre
    Posted Jan 20, 2007 at 4:07 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Just another Czech on the board.

    If more Czechs = Czech-er, does that make this a Czech-er board?

  4. Peter D. Tillman
    Posted Jan 23, 2007 at 1:06 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Here’s another quote you’ll like, Steve:

    “A few climate scientists are beginning to question whether some dire [global warming] predictions push the science too far. ‘Some of us are wondering if we have created a monster,’ says Kevin Vranes, a climate scientist at the University of Colorado. Vranes, who is not considered a global warming skeptic by his peers, came to this conclusion after attending an American Geophysical Union meeting last month. Vranes says he detected ‘tension’ among scientists, notably because projections of the future climate carry uncertainties — a point that hasn’t been fully communicated to the public” — science reporter Eric Berger, writing in the Houston Chronicle.

    — quoted at

  5. Peter D. Tillman
    Posted Jan 23, 2007 at 1:07 PM | Permalink | Reply

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110009566

    –which got eaten somehow enroute.

    Cheers — Pete Tillman

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