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	<title>Comments on: Phil Jones and the Great Leap Forward</title>
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		<title>By: World Conference on Research Integrity to Foster Responsible Research &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-252447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[World Conference on Research Integrity to Foster Responsible Research &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] both raised at climateaudit. The Chinese station issue was discussed at climateaudit last February here  where I said: Jones et al 1990 described their QC procedures as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] both raised at climateaudit. The Chinese station issue was discussed at climateaudit last February here  where I said: Jones et al 1990 described their QC procedures as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Jones and the China Network: Part 2 &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-244909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Jones and the China Network: Part 2 &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in Feb 2007, I re-examined Jones et al 1990 at CA, with my first discussion of the Chinese network here. See tag/china for posts related to this [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in Feb 2007, I re-examined Jones et al 1990 at CA, with my first discussion of the Chinese network here. See tag/china for posts related to this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: realclimate and Disinformation on UHI &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-226488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[realclimate and Disinformation on UHI &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] actions obtained this information. We discussed Jones et al 1990 in a number of posts. We observed here  that Jones et al 1990 made untrue claims on the quality control for their Chinese network (the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] actions obtained this information. We discussed Jones et al 1990 in a number of posts. We observed here  that Jones et al 1990 made untrue claims on the quality control for their Chinese network (the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chinagate&#8217;primeur&#8217; The Guardian is doodsteek Phil Jones &#187; Climategate: feiten en duiding in het klimaatdebat</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-219583</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chinagate&#8217;primeur&#8217; The Guardian is doodsteek Phil Jones &#187; Climategate: feiten en duiding in het klimaatdebat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in essentie ook de kracht van Climategate is. Hoe de vork werkelijk in de steel zit, dat onthulden Steve McIntyre van Climateaudit en Douglas Keenan van Infomath, maar ook Warwick [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in essentie ook de kracht van Climategate is. Hoe de vork werkelijk in de steel zit, dat onthulden Steve McIntyre van Climateaudit en Douglas Keenan van Infomath, maar ook Warwick [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Did Jones et al 1990 &#34;fabricate&#34; its quality control claims? &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-219346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Did Jones et al 1990 &#34;fabricate&#34; its quality control claims? &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] sites at climateaudit, noting that questions about these claims were raised here (for example, here here and here . Since then, we&#8217;ve also looked at adjustments in the USHCN, GHCN and GISS [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sites at climateaudit, noting that questions about these claims were raised here (for example, here here and here . Since then, we&#8217;ve also looked at adjustments in the USHCN, GHCN and GISS [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The FOI Myth #2 &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-213412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The FOI Myth #2 &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in April 2007 (See cache here). The release of this data confirmed my previous surmise (see CA here, Feb 22, 2007) that the following representation in Jones et al 1990 about the Chinese network was [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in April 2007 (See cache here). The release of this data confirmed my previous surmise (see CA here, Feb 22, 2007) that the following representation in Jones et al 1990 about the Chinese network was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-80272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#30

Brohan et al:


&lt;blockquote&gt;The studies finding a large urbanisation effect [Kalnay &amp; Cai, 2003, Zhou et al., 2004] are based on comparison of observations with reanalyses, and assume that any difference is entirely due to biases in the observations. A comparison of HadCRUT data with the ERA- 40 reanalysis [Simmons et al., 2004] demonstrated that there were sizable biases in the reanalysis, so this assumption cannot be made, and the most reliable way to investigate possible urbanisation biases is to compare rural and urban station series.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Zhou et al:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is impossible to find a corresponding rural station for most of the urban ones, especially in eastern and southern China. Consequently, if using the rural&#039;€&quot;urban difference to estimate the UHI, one possibly is comparing temperature between two different urban stations at regional scales or between two different regions at large scales.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Jones 90:


&lt;blockquote&gt;We assembled a network of 42 station pairs of rural and urban sites in the eastern half of China.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They should just give up and admit that &#039;we know nothing&#039;..

Simmons 2004 : Simmons, A. J., P. D. Jones, V. da Costa Bechtold, A. C. M. Beljaars,  P. W. Kà¥llberg, S. Saarinen, S. M. Uppala, P. Viterbo, and N. Wedi (2004),  &lt;em&gt;Comparison of trends and low-frequency variability in CRU, ERA-40, and NCEP/NCAR  analyses of surface air temperature&lt;/em&gt; , J. Geophys. Res., 109, D24115, doi:10.1029/2004JD005306.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30</p>
<p>Brohan et al:</p>
<blockquote><p>The studies finding a large urbanisation effect [Kalnay &amp; Cai, 2003, Zhou et al., 2004] are based on comparison of observations with reanalyses, and assume that any difference is entirely due to biases in the observations. A comparison of HadCRUT data with the ERA- 40 reanalysis [Simmons et al., 2004] demonstrated that there were sizable biases in the reanalysis, so this assumption cannot be made, and the most reliable way to investigate possible urbanisation biases is to compare rural and urban station series.</p></blockquote>
<p>Zhou et al:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is impossible to find a corresponding rural station for most of the urban ones, especially in eastern and southern China. Consequently, if using the rural&#8217;€&#8221;urban difference to estimate the UHI, one possibly is comparing temperature between two different urban stations at regional scales or between two different regions at large scales.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jones 90:</p>
<blockquote><p>We assembled a network of 42 station pairs of rural and urban sites in the eastern half of China.</p></blockquote>
<p>They should just give up and admit that &#8216;we know nothing&#8217;..</p>
<p>Simmons 2004 : Simmons, A. J., P. D. Jones, V. da Costa Bechtold, A. C. M. Beljaars,  P. W. Kà¥llberg, S. Saarinen, S. M. Uppala, P. Viterbo, and N. Wedi (2004),  <em>Comparison of trends and low-frequency variability in CRU, ERA-40, and NCEP/NCAR  analyses of surface air temperature</em> , J. Geophys. Res., 109, D24115, doi:10.1029/2004JD005306.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-80271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zhou et al, 2004. Evidence for a significant urbanization effect on climate in China  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/101/26/9540.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PNAS&lt;/a&gt;  is not mentioned by Jones in AR4.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zhou et al, 2004. Evidence for a significant urbanization effect on climate in China  <a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/101/26/9540.pdf" rel="nofollow">PNAS</a>  is not mentioned by Jones in AR4.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-80270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: #27 - A number of them outside of China, especially quite a cluster in Bangladesh. Two on Taiwan, one right at Keelung (major port which started its boom after WW2) and another just south of the high tech mecca of Hsin Chu (a post 1970s development). Quite a cluster in the part of Japan which is visible, we all know what has happened to the &quot;rural&quot; areas of Soutwestern Japan since the 1950s (massive growth in industry and the residential developments to accomodate all its people).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: #27 &#8211; A number of them outside of China, especially quite a cluster in Bangladesh. Two on Taiwan, one right at Keelung (major port which started its boom after WW2) and another just south of the high tech mecca of Hsin Chu (a post 1970s development). Quite a cluster in the part of Japan which is visible, we all know what has happened to the &#8220;rural&#8221; areas of Soutwestern Japan since the 1950s (massive growth in industry and the residential developments to accomodate all its people).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/02/26/phil-jones-and-the-great-leap-forward/#comment-80269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#27. Warwick, that&#039;s great. I notice that many of the identified sites do not have a companion within both 1 degree lat and 1 degree long. I wonder if we&#039;ll ever find out what series Jones used in this article. I haven&#039;t received any acknowledgement to my request from Jones; I&#039;ll file a complaint with Nature fairly soon if I don&#039;t hear anything,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27. Warwick, that&#8217;s great. I notice that many of the identified sites do not have a companion within both 1 degree lat and 1 degree long. I wonder if we&#8217;ll ever find out what series Jones used in this article. I haven&#8217;t received any acknowledgement to my request from Jones; I&#8217;ll file a complaint with Nature fairly soon if I don&#8217;t hear anything,</p>
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