Comments on: Malye Karmakuly, Russia (#2)

By: EW

EW — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:48:54 +0000

Now I found their English archive page working where data from Russia and a lot of other countries from 1997-2000 can be downloaded:

http://meteo.infospace.ru/wcarch/html/index.sht

here’s the link on 1341 Russian stations

http://meteo.infospace.ru/wcarch/html/e_sel_stn_all.sht?country=176&mode=stn

By: EW

EW — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:18:17 +0000

That Russian server in Cyrillic, “Pagoda Rosssiji” has data for much more stations starting from cca 1997-2000 for download in a zipped file. I posted here a start of such file and apparently there are 4 measurements per day.

Maybe there can be more stations in a gridcell than those in the “List of 223″ which can be compared with a station from the list at least for the tendency in the last 7-10 yrs?
I made an excel file of all station #’s with coordinates (can’t write the names in Cyrillic), so if someone is interested, I can send it and download some data for a # on request.

By: Warwick Hughes

Warwick Hughes — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:20:19 +0000

Re #11 Just right now Steve I am still trying to track down station data for the Jones et al 1990 38 station Western USSR rural series.
I am also hoping to do a similar operation to;
http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/wussr38.htm
to identify exact stations in their Eastern China rural series, 42 urban/rural pairs in that case.
I have been mumbling for months now about paying for some data processing help to get into the gridded datasets and pull out what I want. To date I have not taken the step of looking for a suitable student with the right smarts, as they say. But they are returning from vacations about now, so I should get on to that.
Reality is that most of my time is taken up with resource stocks and I am scratching to get a few hours here and there for climate work.
The points I have made in my pages;
http://www.warwickhughes.com/climate/ussr1.htm
and for far north Siberia;
http://www.warwickhughes.com/climate/tamyr.htm
are still valid. Maybe I should be flattered that Hadley have pulled away from exactly the extrapolated north Siberian grid cell trends that I attacked.
The sceptic Opus waiting for an author is, “How we were lied to for 20 years about GW”.
This would have to include some key chapters on high north latitudes.

By: JerryB

JerryB — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:03:43 +0000

Re Steve’s comment appended to #9,

Yes, that’s where I learned of meteo.ru. My comment 9 was
to draw attention to an apparent limitation of the GHCN daily
collection.

By: Steve McIntyre

Steve McIntyre — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:44:13 +0000

Warwick, why don’t you do a closer version on the Russia-Siberia data for the various studies.

By: Warwick Hughes

Warwick Hughes — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:54:23 +0000

My Jan 31 post “Huge variations now between the 3 main global T datasets”
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=82
takes you to;
http://www.warwickhughes.com/sst/comp2005.htm
where differences between major global databases are pointed out.

The new HadCRUT3 data is explained at;
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/
P. Brohan, J.J. Kennedy, I. Harris, S.F.B. Tett and P.D. Jones, Uncertainty estimates in regional and global observed temperature changes: a new dataset from 1850. J. Geophys. Res, 111, D12106, doi:10.1029/2005JD006548.
You can download a pdf.

And note that Jones gridded T maps here stop at 2005.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/tgrid/

Is this enough to glimpse the truth ?

By: JerryB

JerryB — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:23:36 +0000

BTW, the Karsakpaj file, f35663v4.zip, at
http://meteo.ru/english/data_temperat_precipitation/
included several observations that were missing from the GHCN daily file
for Karsakpay.

Steve: Jerry, Ialready showed these values in the post on Karsakpaj. http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1203

By: Steve McIntyre

Steve McIntyre — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:32:00 +0000

#7. I’m going to post up an R function to retrieve this and other data, including certain zip files, where Nicholas has sent me a very pretty method.

By: JerryB

JerryB — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:09:04 +0000

The daily GHCN files can also be accesed via FTP for those so inclined.

A sample of a summary (last updated Feb 22, 2007) of GHCN Daily data files
available at ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/daily/
as of February 12, 2007 is at http://www.john-daly.com/ghcndsum.smp
The one megabyte zipped summary of which that is a sample is at
http://www.john-daly.com/ghcndsum.zip
The summary uses the (32,815) stations list at
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/daily/ghcnd-stations.txt
and follows the line for each station with counts of the various kinds of
that station’s data, and percentage estimates of missing observations,
and missing months that are available (as of Feb 12).

Each summary line consists of:
the starting year
the ending year
numbers of years
number of months of TMAX data (or the word None)
number of months of TMIN data (or the word None)
number of months of PRCP data (or the word None)
approximate percent of observations missing from TMAX data
approximate percent of observations missing from TMIN data
approximate percent of observations missing from PRCP data
approximate percent of missing months of TMAX data
approximate percent of missing months of TMIN data
approximate percent of missing months of PRCP data

By: trevor

trevor — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:55:46 +0000

Re #5: More?