… from the usual suspects. NOAA says this is the warmest winter on record. But that’s the GISS dataset … what does HadCRUT3 say?

Well, it says the following:

A couple of notes:

1) As usual, they’re different, with GISS being the more photogenic for the media. HadCRUT3 says that the winter of 97/98 was warmer than 06/07.

2) As usual, NOAA has managed to forget the error bars … probably just got overlooked in the shuffle. Including errors, we can’t even say if last winter was warmer than any other winter in the last decade, much less in the record … this is not science, this is unadulterated hype.

How different are GISS and HadCRUT3 in this regard? Here’s the year by year comparison:

Note that the difference is as much as four tenths of a degree. Also note how the good GISS folks have tweaked the data so that it rises vis-a-vis HadCRUT3 from about 1965 onwards.

Ahhh, the sad state of climate “science” … my wife just asked me why I was sighing … because it beats weeping for the death of science.

w.

I assume that the US might have a similar population display.

Bernie

Well, NOAA is at it again, claiming that this most recent winter was “the warmest since 1880“.

This highlights the difference between the HadCRUT3 and the GISS dataset. Here’s the HadCRUT3 data, including errors:

A couple of things of interest about this graph:

1) Error estimates are crucial in any discussion. The constant neglecting of error estimates by the AGW folks is starting to get irritating. Including the error estimates shows that there’s not much we can say about last winter at all.

2) According to HadCRUT3, the winter of 1997-1998 was warmer than the most recent winter.

Here’s the difference in the HadCRUT and GISS winter temps:

Note that the difference is as high as 0.4°C at times, and that it increases almost linearly since 1965.

It is problems like this that makes climate “science” no more than a guessing game.

w.

Bernie, that is a link to an executable file. My guess is you went through some form submissions to get to what you wanted me to see but I cannot see that because I don’t know what steps are needed. Just trying to open the URL results in the web browser wanting to download the executable.

Sinan

It is a pretty big file though.

Sorry for the mess.

Sinan

724070 -999 -1999 -999 ATLANTIC CITY USA 1 1874 1991 20 1884

The first series of digits is station id, the second is latitude and the third is the longitude. Why are the coordinates missing?

718680 -999 -1999 -999 HUDSON BAY SASK CANADA 1 1943 1991 10 1944

Ditto.

719660 -999 -1999 -999 DAWSON YUK CANADA 1 1900 1991 10 1901

Ditto.

724390 -999 -1999 -999 SPRINGFIELD ILL USA 1 1879 1991 20 1879

Well, we know why Springfield is missing.

727931 -999 -1999 -999 SEATTLE USA 1 1890 1991 10 1941

These are the ones I have been able to detect so far. There might be others.

Now, some pictures for these stations (no comment on the meaning of this, I just found out about this coordinate issue as I was trying to re-grid Jones, 1990, and I was curious how the data looked for stations whose coordinates were missing).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7cqGHKhozw