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	<title>Comments on: What is &quot;Consensus Science&quot; for Proxies?</title>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More consensus science:

From this morning&#039;s paper, a local &quot;environmental science instructor&quot; had this to say:


&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s time to put the fear of God into people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is because glaciers are melting and hurricanes are intensifying.

If I&#039;d known He would get so upset, I&#039;d have listened more carefully in Sunday School.

I&#039;m sure today&#039;s Earth Day festivities will add more morsels for this thread.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More consensus science:</p>
<p>From this morning&#8217;s paper, a local &#8220;environmental science instructor&#8221; had this to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s time to put the fear of God into people.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is because glaciers are melting and hurricanes are intensifying.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;d known He would get so upset, I&#8217;d have listened more carefully in Sunday School.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure today&#8217;s Earth Day festivities will add more morsels for this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark T.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84699</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suzy Chaffee tells me that GW will significantly shorten my precious ski season, as well as decrease the amount of snow I&#039;ll see.*

Mark

* Suzy apparently isn&#039;t skiing Colorado Slopes anymore... otherwise she&#039;d know differently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzy Chaffee tells me that GW will significantly shorten my precious ski season, as well as decrease the amount of snow I&#8217;ll see.*</p>
<p>Mark</p>
<p>* Suzy apparently isn&#8217;t skiing Colorado Slopes anymore&#8230; otherwise she&#8217;d know differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the media rich zones of Europe and the Eastern US are experiencing &quot;warmer than normal&quot; weather then it means such an experience is a perfect microcosm of global conditions. My ski area in the Alps / Adirondaks has too little snow, therefore all ski areas in the NH likely have too little snow. Sure signs of killer AGW ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the media rich zones of Europe and the Eastern US are experiencing &#8220;warmer than normal&#8221; weather then it means such an experience is a perfect microcosm of global conditions. My ski area in the Alps / Adirondaks has too little snow, therefore all ski areas in the NH likely have too little snow. Sure signs of killer AGW &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only run off into glacial lakes is from glaciers.
Whatever has annual markers can be used for a temperature proxy.
If you torture enough data you will get some really interesting climate results.
Errors in data measurement only exist when the data contradicts AGW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only run off into glacial lakes is from glaciers.<br />
Whatever has annual markers can be used for a temperature proxy.<br />
If you torture enough data you will get some really interesting climate results.<br />
Errors in data measurement only exist when the data contradicts AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84696</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Latest &quot;consensus science&quot; news.
Excerpt from Reuters article by Jeff Mason, April 18, 2007:


&lt;blockquote&gt;David Henderson, an economist at the Westminster Business School in London and former head of the Economics and Statistics Department at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the OECD, said governments had given the IPCC a monopoly on climate advice.
&quot;The very idea of creating a single would-be authoritative fount of wisdom is itself dubious,&quot; he said, urging countries to seek a more balanced approach than the IPCC and to stop pursuing programs to urgently reduce carbon emissions.
&quot;In this area of policy it&#039;s high time for governments to think again,&quot; he said.
Mahi Sideridou, climate policy director at environmental group Greenpeace, rejected criticism of the IPCC.
&quot;Saying that the IPCC is not balanced is probably the most ridiculous claim that anybody can make,&quot; she said, stressing the group&#039;s reports were based on scientific consensus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USL1829984220070418

Therefore, I suggest adding to Steve&#039;s list the following element of &quot;consensus science&quot;:

The most ridiculous claim that anybody can make is that the IPCC is not balanced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest &#8220;consensus science&#8221; news.<br />
Excerpt from Reuters article by Jeff Mason, April 18, 2007:</p>
<blockquote><p>David Henderson, an economist at the Westminster Business School in London and former head of the Economics and Statistics Department at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the OECD, said governments had given the IPCC a monopoly on climate advice.<br />
&#8220;The very idea of creating a single would-be authoritative fount of wisdom is itself dubious,&#8221; he said, urging countries to seek a more balanced approach than the IPCC and to stop pursuing programs to urgently reduce carbon emissions.<br />
&#8220;In this area of policy it&#8217;s high time for governments to think again,&#8221; he said.<br />
Mahi Sideridou, climate policy director at environmental group Greenpeace, rejected criticism of the IPCC.<br />
&#8220;Saying that the IPCC is not balanced is probably the most ridiculous claim that anybody can make,&#8221; she said, stressing the group&#8217;s reports were based on scientific consensus.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USL1829984220070418" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USL1829984220070418</a></p>
<p>Therefore, I suggest adding to Steve&#8217;s list the following element of &#8220;consensus science&#8221;:</p>
<p>The most ridiculous claim that anybody can make is that the IPCC is not balanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84695</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US readers&#039; tax dollars at work:

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/people/gjohnson/pacific_abyss_v3.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US readers&#8217; tax dollars at work:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/people/gjohnson/pacific_abyss_v3.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/people/gjohnson/pacific_abyss_v3.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s one inspired by a paper recently linked at Climate Science which I&#039;ll link later.

Since neither tropical troposphere mean temperature / heat content nor that of the oceans above the thermocline have demonstrated what was forecast by &quot;the models&quot; then the heat must be hiding somewhere. A-ha! The Abyss! Which leads us to .... using towed arrays of sensors &quot;thought to be accurate to 0.005 deg C&quot; in a half dozen places, twice in 20 years, we have &quot;crunched the numbers&quot; and found &quot;significantly nonzero values&quot; of abyssal &quot;warming.&quot; I mean, being able to say we dredged up some data, &quot;processed&quot; it, and &quot;measured&quot; a hundredth or two degrees &quot;average abyssal warming&quot; is proof positive that we&#039;ve found the missing heat, and the models are therefore saved from ill repute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one inspired by a paper recently linked at Climate Science which I&#8217;ll link later.</p>
<p>Since neither tropical troposphere mean temperature / heat content nor that of the oceans above the thermocline have demonstrated what was forecast by &#8220;the models&#8221; then the heat must be hiding somewhere. A-ha! The Abyss! Which leads us to &#8230;. using towed arrays of sensors &#8220;thought to be accurate to 0.005 deg C&#8221; in a half dozen places, twice in 20 years, we have &#8220;crunched the numbers&#8221; and found &#8220;significantly nonzero values&#8221; of abyssal &#8220;warming.&#8221; I mean, being able to say we dredged up some data, &#8220;processed&#8221; it, and &#8220;measured&#8221; a hundredth or two degrees &#8220;average abyssal warming&#8221; is proof positive that we&#8217;ve found the missing heat, and the models are therefore saved from ill repute.</p>
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		<title>By: jcspe</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the consensus holds that any glacial melting can only be a result of rising temperatures, and if temperatures do not rise then all this worrisome glacial recession will cease.  It is not possible that any ice fields could continue to melt just because of sustained average annual temperatures that remain above the melting point.

An interesting corollary is that when man-made aerosols lower global temperatures for a few decades they do so in a manner that makes glaciers continue to recede.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the consensus holds that any glacial melting can only be a result of rising temperatures, and if temperatures do not rise then all this worrisome glacial recession will cease.  It is not possible that any ice fields could continue to melt just because of sustained average annual temperatures that remain above the melting point.</p>
<p>An interesting corollary is that when man-made aerosols lower global temperatures for a few decades they do so in a manner that makes glaciers continue to recede.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84692</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A short term (in geological history terms) relatively higher than normal concentration of CO2 and whatever thermal changes it is capable of causing, is such a strong force that it will overturn whatever has been causing cyclical massive advances of continental ice. Therefore, we&#039;ll never see another ice age while humanity is still in existance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A short term (in geological history terms) relatively higher than normal concentration of CO2 and whatever thermal changes it is capable of causing, is such a strong force that it will overturn whatever has been causing cyclical massive advances of continental ice. Therefore, we&#8217;ll never see another ice age while humanity is still in existance.</p>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/07/what-is-consensus-science-for-proxies/#comment-84691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tree ring widths (PC25) will be a proxy for the solar eclipses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tree ring widths (PC25) will be a proxy for the solar eclipses.</p>
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