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	<title>Comments on: Dulan Satellite Photo</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: JohnB (another one)</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnB (another one)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon Anders, the Sheppard map includes heights of some mountains in the area.

Dulan can be found on Google earth as Qagan Us @ 36 17 07 N, 98 04 21 E. Tree cover is interesting in the region. Mostly confined to higher mountain slopes, yet near the Dunde region more extensive on the northern slopes than southern.

This is a truly inhospitable region and from the general lack of greenery I would venture that precipitation would be THE deciding factor here. Sand deserts, rocky mountains, rocky plains abd many large salt flats, this region has it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Anders, the Sheppard map includes heights of some mountains in the area.</p>
<p>Dulan can be found on Google earth as Qagan Us @ 36 17 07 N, 98 04 21 E. Tree cover is interesting in the region. Mostly confined to higher mountain slopes, yet near the Dunde region more extensive on the northern slopes than southern.</p>
<p>This is a truly inhospitable region and from the general lack of greenery I would venture that precipitation would be THE deciding factor here. Sand deserts, rocky mountains, rocky plains abd many large salt flats, this region has it all.</p>
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		<title>By: twq</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84922</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The below is a paper discussing the relationship between CRU data covering China and Chinese meteorological and historical data during the last 100 years. There is excellent agreement (0.84) between these annual two independent (before 1950) temperature series. è‹±å›½CRU é«˜åˆ†è¾¨çŽ‡æ ¼ç‚¹èµ„æ–™æ?­ç¤ºçš„20 ä¸–çºªä¸­å›½æ°&quot;å€™å?˜åŒ– - æ¯?ç»„ 2 ä¸ª »
é—»æ–°å®‡ï¼Œ çŽ‹ç»?æ­¦ï¼Œ æœ±é&quot;¦çº¢ - å¤§æ°&quot;ç§‘å­¦, 2006 - scholar.ilib.cn
ä¸‡æ–¹æ•°æ?®èµ„æº?ç³»ç»Ÿ. å¤§æ°&quot;ç§‘å­¦ CHINESE JOURNAL OF ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES 2006]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The below is a paper discussing the relationship between CRU data covering China and Chinese meteorological and historical data during the last 100 years. There is excellent agreement (0.84) between these annual two independent (before 1950) temperature series. è‹±å›½CRU é«˜åˆ†è¾¨çŽ‡æ ¼ç‚¹èµ„æ–™æ?­ç¤ºçš„20 ä¸–çºªä¸­å›½æ°&#8221;å€™å?˜åŒ– &#8211; æ¯?ç»„ 2 ä¸ª »<br />
é—»æ–°å®‡ï¼Œ çŽ‹ç»?æ­¦ï¼Œ æœ±é&#8221;¦çº¢ &#8211; å¤§æ°&#8221;ç§‘å­¦, 2006 &#8211; scholar.ilib.cn<br />
ä¸‡æ–¹æ•°æ?®èµ„æº?ç³»ç»Ÿ. å¤§æ°&#8221;ç§‘å­¦ CHINESE JOURNAL OF ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES 2006</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84921</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve added another version of this photo from a Japanese archaeological website which shows the roads on a very similar photo ( a little greener version and with the glaciers more distinct)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve added another version of this photo from a Japanese archaeological website which shows the roads on a very similar photo ( a little greener version and with the glaciers more distinct)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon-Anders Grannes</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon-Anders Grannes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I need some elevation markings of the whole area in order to understand the whole thing.

It might not be about precipitation only but also about temperature and treelines etc etc..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need some elevation markings of the whole area in order to understand the whole thing.</p>
<p>It might not be about precipitation only but also about temperature and treelines etc etc..</p>
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		<title>By: Jon-Anders Grannes</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84919</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon-Anders Grannes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I am not an expert but during ice ages the Saharha desert and Sahel is streched about further 1000 km than it is today.

Wasn&#039;t the Sahara more &quot;green&quot; during Holcene optimum?

Maybee more desert today is a &quot;sign&quot; of a colder Earth?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I am not an expert but during ice ages the Saharha desert and Sahel is streched about further 1000 km than it is today.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t the Sahara more &#8220;green&#8221; during Holcene optimum?</p>
<p>Maybee more desert today is a &#8220;sign&#8221; of a colder Earth?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a diagram from Araguas  showing this area as close to borders of 3 air types: ARctc, SE PAcific and CEntral Asia.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a diagram from Araguas  showing this area as close to borders of 3 air types: ARctc, SE PAcific and CEntral Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Dueck</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84917</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Dueck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, looking at the photo you will also note the dune fields covering a large part of the NE quadrant of the photo. It would appear the Dulan site is on the boundary of the continental weather influence (cold, dry) from the NW and the tropical cyclone systems (warm, precip) from the SE, correct?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, looking at the photo you will also note the dune fields covering a large part of the NE quadrant of the photo. It would appear the Dulan site is on the boundary of the continental weather influence (cold, dry) from the NW and the tropical cyclone systems (warm, precip) from the SE, correct?</p>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve:
You said

&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, here is the location map from Gou et al 2007, which twq proposed to us as evidence that Dulan junipers could be used as a temperature proxy, notwithstanding the explicit statements by Sheppard et al, Shao et al and Zhang et al that Dulan junipers had strongest correlations to temperature.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I assume you meant

&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, here is the location map from Gou et al 2007, which twq proposed to us as evidence that Dulan junipers could be used as a temperature proxy, notwithstanding the explicit statements by Sheppard et al, Shao et al and Zhang et al that Dulan junipers had strongest correlations to &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;precipitation&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:<br />
You said</p>
<blockquote><p>Finally, here is the location map from Gou et al 2007, which twq proposed to us as evidence that Dulan junipers could be used as a temperature proxy, notwithstanding the explicit statements by Sheppard et al, Shao et al and Zhang et al that Dulan junipers had strongest correlations to temperature.</p></blockquote>
<p>I assume you meant</p>
<blockquote><p>Finally, here is the location map from Gou et al 2007, which twq proposed to us as evidence that Dulan junipers could be used as a temperature proxy, notwithstanding the explicit statements by Sheppard et al, Shao et al and Zhang et al that Dulan junipers had strongest correlations to <em><strong>precipitation</strong></em>. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bump. Important typo here, Steve M.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bump. Important typo here, Steve M.</p>
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		<title>By: Armand MacMurray</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/14/dulan-satellite-photo/#comment-84914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armand MacMurray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;notwithstanding the explicit statements by Sheppard et al, Shao et al and Zhang et al that Dulan junipers had strongest correlations to temperature.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Surely the last word here should be &quot;precipitation&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>notwithstanding the explicit statements by Sheppard et al, Shao et al and Zhang et al that Dulan junipers had strongest correlations to temperature.</p></blockquote>
<p>Surely the last word here should be &#8220;precipitation&#8221;?</p>
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