Comments on: The Maatsuyker Exclusion http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/ by Steve McIntyre Sun, 26 May 2013 03:23:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Steve McIntyre http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85786 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:31:52 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85786 #1. Received the following reply from BOM Australia”

Good morning Steve

I don’t think there is a current ftp site for these stations. If you can advise what data you require and for what time period I can let you know what data are available and what the cost will be to extract the these data.

regards
Webclim
Climate Information Services
National Climate Centre
GPO Box 1289 Melbourne Australia 3001
Phone +61 3 9669 4082, Fax +61 3 9669 4515
Email: webclim at bom.gov.au

]]> By: trevor http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85785 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:58:26 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85785 Today we drove from Marulan (2 hours SW of Sydney) to lower north shore of Sydney. When we set out, the car thermometer said 17 Deg C. At Sydney Airport it reached a peak of 27 Deg C. As we drove alongside the eastern boundary of Sydney City it dropped to 24 Deg C, and when we reached home it was 22 Deg C. Fact.

]]> By: Paul Linsay http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85784 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:15:00 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85784 #7 – #12, Let’s not forget the airplanes. From wikipedia

All jet engines require high temperature gas for good efficiency, typically achieved by combusting hydrocarbon or hydrogen fuel. Combustion temperatures can be as high as 3500K (5000F), above the melting point of most materials.

]]> By: James Lane http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85783 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:09:37 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85783 The sites that are “rural” in Plummers list and “urban” in T&N:

2 2 18070 PORT LINCOLN -33.73333 135.8667
6 6 23733 MOUNT BARKER -35.06667 138.8667
21 21 40126 MARYBOROUGH -25.53333 152.6000
30 30 56002 ARMIDALE (RADIO STATION 2AD) -30.51667 151.6667
32 32 58037 LISMORE (CENTRE STREET) -28.80000 153.2833
33 33 60026 PORT MACQUARIE (HILL STREET) -31.90000 152.4833
34 34 61055 NEWCASTLE NOBBYS SIGNAL STATION -32.91667 151.8000
35 35 65012 DUBBO (COOREENA RD) -32.21667 148.5667

I’d say all of these are “urban” except Maryborough, of which I have no knowledge.

]]> By: D. Patterson http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85782 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:27:18 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85782 Has anyone attempted to determine what proportion of all the temperature data points used in given climate model/s come from observation sites located at airfileds and airports subject to potential UHI effects? How many of these sites were replicated or were used to virtualize grid cell temperatures in locations where no surface temperature observations were made?

]]> By: Warwick Hughes http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85781 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:29:41 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85781 Re 2 I am just enjoying watching Steve’s efforts unfold.
In 2000 I put up a page critical of Torok & Nicholls data in a couple of instances.
http://www.warwickhughes.com/climate/bomadj.htm
However it was time consuming and I left it at that.
I am sure there are many more examples to be discovered in T & N of this sort of disconnect with reality.
If one accepts T & N as good work, then some weather records (T) have to be scrapped as wrong.
I was reminded of what Sir Walter Scott said about weaving tangled webs.

]]> By: KevinUK http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85780 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:37:28 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85780 #7 to #12

Oh ye of little faith! Surely you believe Phil the High Priest of the AGW temple when he says that none of this has any effect (OK 0.05C) on the the highly precise calculations involved in the HADCRUT3 dataset?

KevinUK

]]> By: Curt http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85779 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:21:14 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85779 And of course, many, many airports were originally located well out of town, surrounded by farmland or forest, but their mere presence created an inexorable pull of development, so that they are now heavily urbanized as part of the general metropolitan area.

]]> By: MarkW http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85778 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:00:24 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85778 And bigger parking lots to handle extra passengers and more workers.

]]> By: MarkW http://climateaudit.org/2007/04/27/the-team-never-makes-it-easy/#comment-85777 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:59:53 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1487#comment-85777 In recent years, most airports have had to add runways and taxiways to handle increased traffic.

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