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	<title>Comments on: New Light on Old Fudge</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Tornetrask Digital Version &#8211; Hooray! &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-343346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tornetrask Digital Version &#8211; Hooray! &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Last week, Hakan Grudd sent me a digital version of the MXD series &#8211; hooray! Previously I&#8217;ve previewed this new version using clips from the articles or thesis e.g here.  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week, Hakan Grudd sent me a digital version of the MXD series &#8211; hooray! Previously I&#8217;ve previewed this new version using clips from the articles or thesis e.g here.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89512</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[worldclimatereport on Grudd:
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/04/1500-years-of-cooling-in-the-arctic/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>worldclimatereport on Grudd:<br />
<a href="http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/04/1500-years-of-cooling-in-the-arctic/" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/04/1500-years-of-cooling-in-the-arctic/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#23 Yes. Just took a while to get published.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23 Yes. Just took a while to get published.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveSadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, this is actually the same Grudd study noted above. In any case, it&#039;s now linked from World Climate Report.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, this is actually the same Grudd study noted above. In any case, it&#8217;s now linked from World Climate Report.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveSadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder what Briffa would think of this?:

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/04/1500-years-of-cooling-in-the-arctic/#more-305

Tornetrask, 1500 year reconstruction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what Briffa would think of this?:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/04/1500-years-of-cooling-in-the-arctic/#more-305" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/04/1500-years-of-cooling-in-the-arctic/#more-305</a></p>
<p>Tornetrask, 1500 year reconstruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve:
I misread the following.


&lt;blockquote&gt;MXD data from Tornetra¨sk were first published by
Schweingruber et al. (1988). This original data set of 65
individual tree-series covered the time period AD 441–1980
and is hereafter denoted SEAL80 [WSL (Dendro Database,
WSL, Switzerland. http://www.wsl.ch/dendro/dendrodb.
html). &lt;strong&gt;Here, the MXD data is updated to AD 2004 using
new samples from 35 relatively young trees.&lt;/strong&gt; Thus, the new
Tornetra¨sk MXD data-base includes samples from a total
of 100 trees and covers the period AD 441–2004. Dry dead
wood covers the period AD 441–1789 and living trees cover
the period AD 1336–2004.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Re-reading it is clear that the old data set is apparantly available in some form but the new data is not.  Is that the issue or is the old data in a processed rather than &quot;raw&quot; format?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:<br />
I misread the following.</p>
<blockquote><p>MXD data from Tornetra¨sk were first published by<br />
Schweingruber et al. (1988). This original data set of 65<br />
individual tree-series covered the time period AD 441–1980<br />
and is hereafter denoted SEAL80 [WSL (Dendro Database,<br />
WSL, Switzerland. <a href="http://www.wsl.ch/dendro/dendrodb" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsl.ch/dendro/dendrodb</a>.<br />
html). <strong>Here, the MXD data is updated to AD 2004 using<br />
new samples from 35 relatively young trees.</strong> Thus, the new<br />
Tornetra¨sk MXD data-base includes samples from a total<br />
of 100 trees and covers the period AD 441–2004. Dry dead<br />
wood covers the period AD 441–1789 and living trees cover<br />
the period AD 1336–2004.</p></blockquote>
<p>Re-reading it is clear that the old data set is apparantly available in some form but the new data is not.  Is that the issue or is the old data in a processed rather than &#8220;raw&#8221; format?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter D. Tillman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89507</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter D. Tillman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve:

Thanks for the Grudd article, which is very provocative. Perhaps this would be a good time to renew your request? If he&#039;s unresponsive,  Lars Berg at #8 has offered to help obtain same, under Sweden&#039;s &quot;open-access&quot; law.

Incidentally, in private corresp with a UTor climatologist, he mentioned frustration in trying to get an &quot;equable climate&quot; article published, remarking &quot;equable climate is a dangerous topic!&quot; And he&#039;s a card-carrying AGW guy.... ;-)

Keep up the good work!

Cheers -- Pete Tillman]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>Thanks for the Grudd article, which is very provocative. Perhaps this would be a good time to renew your request? If he&#8217;s unresponsive,  Lars Berg at #8 has offered to help obtain same, under Sweden&#8217;s &#8220;open-access&#8221; law.</p>
<p>Incidentally, in private corresp with a UTor climatologist, he mentioned frustration in trying to get an &#8220;equable climate&#8221; article published, remarking &#8220;equable climate is a dangerous topic!&#8221; And he&#8217;s a card-carrying AGW guy&#8230;. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Cheers &#8212; Pete Tillman</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Keating</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89506</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Keating]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1
&#039;Gobsmacked&#039; literally means &quot;punched in the mouth&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1<br />
&#8216;Gobsmacked&#8217; literally means &#8220;punched in the mouth&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89505</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It also appears that Grudd&#039;s data is accessible to all&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s news to me. I don&#039;t know where it is nor did I see any data bank identified in the article. The new data is not at the WDCp/ITRDB. Perhaps it&#039;s in the password protected top-secret Euro tree ring data base, but Briffa has refused to give me access to this site.  I emailed Grudd some time ago asking him for a digitial version of his recon, but got no answer.  You may be thinking of the &quot;Open Access&quot; disclaimer on the article - but that&#039;s the &lt;em&gt;article&lt;/em&gt; not the data.

Also many tree ring researchers have very commendable practices about archiving data - the ITRDB data set is very large.  The problem is that many key researchers don&#039;t archive data in a timely data, as discussed at length on many threads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It also appears that Grudd&#8217;s data is accessible to all</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s news to me. I don&#8217;t know where it is nor did I see any data bank identified in the article. The new data is not at the WDCp/ITRDB. Perhaps it&#8217;s in the password protected top-secret Euro tree ring data base, but Briffa has refused to give me access to this site.  I emailed Grudd some time ago asking him for a digitial version of his recon, but got no answer.  You may be thinking of the &#8220;Open Access&#8221; disclaimer on the article &#8211; but that&#8217;s the <em>article</em> not the data.</p>
<p>Also many tree ring researchers have very commendable practices about archiving data &#8211; the ITRDB data set is very large.  The problem is that many key researchers don&#8217;t archive data in a timely data, as discussed at length on many threads.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/05/26/new-light-on-old-fudge/#comment-89504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve:
I scanned this article.  It looks intriguing and appears to have fairly dramatic consequences for HS reconstructions.  In the acknowledgements it mentions that Briffa has made some helpful comments.  It also appears that Grudd&#039;s data is accessible to all - is that correct?  Does this provide an opportunity to expand the discussion on data archiving?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:<br />
I scanned this article.  It looks intriguing and appears to have fairly dramatic consequences for HS reconstructions.  In the acknowledgements it mentions that Briffa has made some helpful comments.  It also appears that Grudd&#8217;s data is accessible to all &#8211; is that correct?  Does this provide an opportunity to expand the discussion on data archiving?</p>
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