<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Nifong Disbarment</title>
	<atom:link href="http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/</link>
	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 19:12:55 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: observer</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92452</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a lawyer and have posted a little back and forth with Steve once before on this topic before in blog reply comments.

The criminal disclosure analog is an interesting one.  The prosecutor has a duty to proactively disclose pertinent information to the defense.

An even better example, with more glaring differences with the IPCC, et al., are the civil discovery rules.  Even in simple slip and fall cases, every single document and piece of information requested that is relevant or even may just &quot;lead to the discovery of admissible evidence&quot; must be produced.  This is Federal Rule of Civil Procedure Rule 26 if you&#039;re interested in googling it.

For technical experts even in these simple civil cases, this includes every scrap of data used in its original file format, all code used to process it and all information reviewed by the expert.  Moreover, long multi-day depositions can be taken of the expert going through step-by-step every single step he took and decision he made.

Not only are opposing experts&#039; methods rendered entirely replicable immediately, but often, multiple iterations of replications with variations are performed by both parties.  And these occur many times even in very small cases.

For the billion+ dollar trade secret, antitrust and securities cases I&#039;ve worked on, there are countless different experts, and the analysis by other experts themselves of literally terrabytes of data can run way up over $10 million. Moreover, depositions of a single expert can go on for over a week.

The global warming issue could potentially be a $100+ trillion question over the next several decades.  That even less open discovery is taking place for it than a $50,000 slip and fall case is absolutely beyond shocking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a lawyer and have posted a little back and forth with Steve once before on this topic before in blog reply comments.</p>
<p>The criminal disclosure analog is an interesting one.  The prosecutor has a duty to proactively disclose pertinent information to the defense.</p>
<p>An even better example, with more glaring differences with the IPCC, et al., are the civil discovery rules.  Even in simple slip and fall cases, every single document and piece of information requested that is relevant or even may just &#8220;lead to the discovery of admissible evidence&#8221; must be produced.  This is Federal Rule of Civil Procedure Rule 26 if you&#8217;re interested in googling it.</p>
<p>For technical experts even in these simple civil cases, this includes every scrap of data used in its original file format, all code used to process it and all information reviewed by the expert.  Moreover, long multi-day depositions can be taken of the expert going through step-by-step every single step he took and decision he made.</p>
<p>Not only are opposing experts&#8217; methods rendered entirely replicable immediately, but often, multiple iterations of replications with variations are performed by both parties.  And these occur many times even in very small cases.</p>
<p>For the billion+ dollar trade secret, antitrust and securities cases I&#8217;ve worked on, there are countless different experts, and the analysis by other experts themselves of literally terrabytes of data can run way up over $10 million. Moreover, depositions of a single expert can go on for over a week.</p>
<p>The global warming issue could potentially be a $100+ trillion question over the next several decades.  That even less open discovery is taking place for it than a $50,000 slip and fall case is absolutely beyond shocking.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: per</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[per]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92451</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[more crowley coverage at durham in wonderland
http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/12/herald-suns-peculiar-corrections-policy.html
http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/11/counselor-crowley-hangs-his-shingle.html
http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/11/legal-analysis-by-thomas-j-crowley-esq.html
per]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more crowley coverage at durham in wonderland<br />
<a href="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/12/herald-suns-peculiar-corrections-policy.html" rel="nofollow">http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/12/herald-suns-peculiar-corrections-policy.html</a><br />
<a href="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/11/counselor-crowley-hangs-his-shingle.html" rel="nofollow">http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/11/counselor-crowley-hangs-his-shingle.html</a><br />
<a href="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/11/legal-analysis-by-thomas-j-crowley-esq.html" rel="nofollow">http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/11/legal-analysis-by-thomas-j-crowley-esq.html</a><br />
per</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rightwing Judo</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rightwing Judo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92450</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[You Duke parents need to get on the ball and urge you kids to stop signing up for ANY
class offered by the gang of 88.

or even funnier, sign up in DROVES and then drop the class within the drop period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Duke parents need to get on the ball and urge you kids to stop signing up for ANY<br />
class offered by the gang of 88.</p>
<p>or even funnier, sign up in DROVES and then drop the class within the drop period.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: GMF</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92449</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GMF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92449</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Usually, it&#039;s prudent to try to get your facts right before making allegations.&quot; (Steve M)

Usually, but not in the creative fields like law enforcement or climate science. Why limit yourself with inconvenient facts??

In legal circles they refer to the concept of procedural fairness - I think Mike Nifong was absent from class that day.

And I&#039;m not surprised by the link between Crowley and Nifong - why wouldn&#039;t people who support the selective (and creative) use of &quot;facts&quot; to further their agendas stick together?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Usually, it&#8217;s prudent to try to get your facts right before making allegations.&#8221; (Steve M)</p>
<p>Usually, but not in the creative fields like law enforcement or climate science. Why limit yourself with inconvenient facts??</p>
<p>In legal circles they refer to the concept of procedural fairness &#8211; I think Mike Nifong was absent from class that day.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not surprised by the link between Crowley and Nifong &#8211; why wouldn&#8217;t people who support the selective (and creative) use of &#8220;facts&#8221; to further their agendas stick together?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Duke Parent</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duke Parent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92448</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, the link got lost the first time around. I hope this works better. To read more about Duke Group of 88 professors, visit:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://z10.invisionfree.com/FODU_Open_Board/index.php?showtopic=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Duke Group of 88+&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the link got lost the first time around. I hope this works better. To read more about Duke Group of 88 professors, visit:</p>
<p><a href="http://z10.invisionfree.com/FODU_Open_Board/index.php?showtopic=4" rel="nofollow"> Duke Group of 88+</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Duke Parent</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duke Parent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92447</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[To find out more about the Duke Group of 88 professors, visit:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://http://z10.invisionfree.com/FODU_Open_Board/index.php?showtopic=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To find out more about the Duke Group of 88 professors, visit:<br />
<a href="http://http://z10.invisionfree.com/FODU_Open_Board/index.php?showtopic=4" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Jankowski</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jankowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92446</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;While ignoring the mountain of evidence that does exist, Crowley seemed particularly excised about evidence that does not. “Why,” he asked Herald-Sun readers, “are photographs available before and after the alleged event, but not during it?”

Crowley has the scientific expertise: I do not. But it&#039;s my understanding that laws of space, time, and motion make it difficult to photograph an “alleged event.” If an “event” didn&#039;t occur, it&#039;s hard to see how anyone could photograph it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>While ignoring the mountain of evidence that does exist, Crowley seemed particularly excised about evidence that does not. “Why,” he asked Herald-Sun readers, “are photographs available before and after the alleged event, but not during it?”</p>
<p>Crowley has the scientific expertise: I do not. But it&#8217;s my understanding that laws of space, time, and motion make it difficult to photograph an “alleged event.” If an “event” didn&#8217;t occur, it&#8217;s hard to see how anyone could photograph it.</p></blockquote>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James Erlandson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Erlandson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92445</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Re 11: John A
The full text is available &lt;a href=&quot;http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/2006/03/expired-documents-2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for free. Scroll down to the November 16, 2006 posting -- about 1/3 down. The retraction is further down the page, posted on December 1, 2006.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 11: John A<br />
The full text is available <a href="http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/2006/03/expired-documents-2.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for free. Scroll down to the November 16, 2006 posting &#8212; about 1/3 down. The retraction is further down the page, posted on December 1, 2006.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92444</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92444</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s as far as I could get of what Tom Crowley wrote (without spending money to get the full 541 words):


&lt;blockquote&gt;Herald-Sun, The (Durham, NC) - November 12, 2006

&lt;strong&gt;Don&#039;t be too quick to toss lacrosse case&lt;/strong&gt;

I am surprised at the number of letter writers to your paper who, although they have no legal qualifications, seem to assume they have sufficient knowledge about the Duke lacrosse case to conclude that the case should be thrown out before it even goes to trial. I don&#039;t know what happened that night with respect to those students and that woman, but I do know the following items about the case that would lead one to hesitate before throwing out the case. The Duke lacrosse players...&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s as far as I could get of what Tom Crowley wrote (without spending money to get the full 541 words):</p>
<blockquote><p>Herald-Sun, The (Durham, NC) &#8211; November 12, 2006</p>
<p><strong>Don&#8217;t be too quick to toss lacrosse case</strong></p>
<p>I am surprised at the number of letter writers to your paper who, although they have no legal qualifications, seem to assume they have sufficient knowledge about the Duke lacrosse case to conclude that the case should be thrown out before it even goes to trial. I don&#8217;t know what happened that night with respect to those students and that woman, but I do know the following items about the case that would lead one to hesitate before throwing out the case. The Duke lacrosse players&#8230;</p></blockquote>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: aurbo</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/18/the-nihong-disbarment/#comment-92443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aurbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1740#comment-92443</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[So Crowley had subsequently apologized. That&#039;s good. However:

&lt;i&gt;“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it”&lt;/i&gt; …Omar Khayyam

Now, if Crowley were to disavow the hockey-stick, that would be a real sign of contrition]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Crowley had subsequently apologized. That&#8217;s good. However:</p>
<p><i>“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,<br />
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit<br />
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,<br />
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it”</i> …Omar Khayyam</p>
<p>Now, if Crowley were to disavow the hockey-stick, that would be a real sign of contrition</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
