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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92617</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reno is warming because of the ASOS right on the runway...they moved the station there in the late 1990s.  It is known as a hot spot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reno is warming because of the ASOS right on the runway&#8230;they moved the station there in the late 1990s.  It is known as a hot spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gregg</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92616</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Gregg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yosemite data collection is very poor.  The National Park Service is &#039;too busy&#039; to read the instruments daily.  Data now comes from a RAWS station which the NWS Hanford Office does not trust, particularly the max temps.  Hanford continues to look for  an observer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yosemite data collection is very poor.  The National Park Service is &#8216;too busy&#8217; to read the instruments daily.  Data now comes from a RAWS station which the NWS Hanford Office does not trust, particularly the max temps.  Hanford continues to look for  an observer.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: #22- They are overweighted toward urban areas, intensive agricultural areas, remote but dense outposts of civilization (e.g. mining, oil drilling, fishing, recreation, etc), military hubs, ski areas, areas near paved highways served by the electrical grid, and national park developed areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: #22- They are overweighted toward urban areas, intensive agricultural areas, remote but dense outposts of civilization (e.g. mining, oil drilling, fishing, recreation, etc), military hubs, ski areas, areas near paved highways served by the electrical grid, and national park developed areas.</p>
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		<title>By: aurbo</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92614</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #18:

Steve S gets right to the point;

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Does this represent an effect on surface measurements which would convey the impression of a significant alteration in climate?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Land stations by definition can only occupy ~26% of the Planet&#039;s surface (the remaining ~74% being ocean areas. Subtracting out from that ~26% an additional (and considerable) percentage of uninhabited (and uninstrumented)   land areas, then it would seem obvious that on the planetary scale these improperly named &quot;global&quot; surface station networks are clearly overweighted with urban areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #18:</p>
<p>Steve S gets right to the point;</p>
<blockquote><p> “Does this represent an effect on surface measurements which would convey the impression of a significant alteration in climate?”</p></blockquote>
<p>Land stations by definition can only occupy ~26% of the Planet&#8217;s surface (the remaining ~74% being ocean areas. Subtracting out from that ~26% an additional (and considerable) percentage of uninhabited (and uninstrumented)   land areas, then it would seem obvious that on the planetary scale these improperly named &#8220;global&#8221; surface station networks are clearly overweighted with urban areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#3. Reno is the #2 hot spot in the 1948-2006 TOBS trends after Rock Springs, Wyoming. It is used as a type case in the USHCN v2 preview.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3. Reno is the #2 hot spot in the 1948-2006 TOBS trends after Rock Springs, Wyoming. It is used as a type case in the USHCN v2 preview.</p>
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		<title>By: aurbo</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92612</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aurbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #17;

To answer my own question; &quot;...[W]hat percentage of the planet is urbanized?&quot; The following appears in an article which can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.physorg.com/news5345.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.


&lt;blockquote&gt;According to the United Nations Population Division, urban regions only cover 0.2 percent of Earth&#039;s land surface, but contain nearly half of the world&#039;s population. By 2025, 60 percent of the world&#039;s population will live in cities and urban landscapes will likely expand well beyond 0.2 percent. However, to date, global climate models (GCMs) and regional climate models (RCMs) do not reflect urban landscapes, according to the paper&#039;s authors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #17;</p>
<p>To answer my own question; &#8220;&#8230;[W]hat percentage of the planet is urbanized?&#8221; The following appears in an article which can be found <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news5345.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>According to the United Nations Population Division, urban regions only cover 0.2 percent of Earth&#8217;s land surface, but contain nearly half of the world&#8217;s population. By 2025, 60 percent of the world&#8217;s population will live in cities and urban landscapes will likely expand well beyond 0.2 percent. However, to date, global climate models (GCMs) and regional climate models (RCMs) do not reflect urban landscapes, according to the paper&#8217;s authors.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92611</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE 17.

 Fascinating. I&#039;m off to a meeting but will come back to this.

 On another thread I believe someone provided figures on urbanization.. Something like 2%

 Check the Parker thread  ( parker 2006 and urban myth )
 I think it was there. Also, you&#039;ll find my crude analysis of UHI
 there. Please eviserate it, Do it on this thread if you like, as the parker 2006 is
 winding down at bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE 17.</p>
<p> Fascinating. I&#8217;m off to a meeting but will come back to this.</p>
<p> On another thread I believe someone provided figures on urbanization.. Something like 2%</p>
<p> Check the Parker thread  ( parker 2006 and urban myth )<br />
 I think it was there. Also, you&#8217;ll find my crude analysis of UHI<br />
 there. Please eviserate it, Do it on this thread if you like, as the parker 2006 is<br />
 winding down at bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: #17 - &quot;The real question is that on the planetary scale of things does this represent a significant alteration of climate.&quot;

My question would be different. &quot;Does this represent an effect on surface measurements which would convey the impression of a significant alteration in climate?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: #17 &#8211; &#8220;The real question is that on the planetary scale of things does this represent a significant alteration of climate.&#8221;</p>
<p>My question would be different. &#8220;Does this represent an effect on surface measurements which would convey the impression of a significant alteration in climate?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: aurbo</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92609</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aurbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #15;

In my experience with temperature data...mostly from CRS instrumentation ...the princpal delta T,s between urban and rural areas occur on clear and calm nights where radiationally sponsored heat loss at the ground and other surfaces near and around the instruments is most effective. Urban exposures are almost universally less cold under these conditions as a much more complex system of absorption and reradiation from concrete, brick and other artifical structures prevails.

The most profound examples of radiational cooling can be found over snow cover on clear, calm nights. Snow is (ironically) an almost perfect black-body radiator with low thermal conductivity. The effect of its low conductivity makes it an excellent thermal blanket as it inhibits the capability of the snow surface having its radiational heat loss restored by heat conducted up from the ground. If dewpoints in the air above the snow surface are low enough, the nocturnal cooling process will continue right into sunrise. On such cloudless, calm nights   s, the actual minima are usually reached shortly after sunrise. Why then? Because as the sun starts to heat the surface, some convective movement of air develops generating light winds, and this allows a portion of the very cold surface temperatures to rise to the level of the sheltered instruments (typically at 1.5m elevation).

During the daytime, the snowcover reflects a significant portion of incoming radiational energy skyward (or spaceward). Thus, even daytime temperatures are colder than their urban counterparts when there is snow. Over sod, the day/night radiational properties are quite different, preferentially absorbing energy in the red end of the spectrum and in the UV as well (the reason that grass is green). Grass is also capable of replacing radiational heat loss at night by drawing heat from the ground. Even so, they cool down better than concrete or other compounds with large thermal mass.

Finally, on windy nights, even in rural areas, radiational heat loss at the ground surface is mixed more deeply through the boundary layer and the sensible heat loss through radiational cooling is distributed through a much larger volume of air.

BTW, an UHI is by definition an anthropogenically caused temperature enhancement and no one has argued this in my lifetime. The real question is that on the planetary scale of things does this represent a significant alteration of climate. Can any geographer out there with a facility for pushing numbers, or finding data sources, tell me what percentage of the planet is urbanized?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #15;</p>
<p>In my experience with temperature data&#8230;mostly from CRS instrumentation &#8230;the princpal delta T,s between urban and rural areas occur on clear and calm nights where radiationally sponsored heat loss at the ground and other surfaces near and around the instruments is most effective. Urban exposures are almost universally less cold under these conditions as a much more complex system of absorption and reradiation from concrete, brick and other artifical structures prevails.</p>
<p>The most profound examples of radiational cooling can be found over snow cover on clear, calm nights. Snow is (ironically) an almost perfect black-body radiator with low thermal conductivity. The effect of its low conductivity makes it an excellent thermal blanket as it inhibits the capability of the snow surface having its radiational heat loss restored by heat conducted up from the ground. If dewpoints in the air above the snow surface are low enough, the nocturnal cooling process will continue right into sunrise. On such cloudless, calm nights   s, the actual minima are usually reached shortly after sunrise. Why then? Because as the sun starts to heat the surface, some convective movement of air develops generating light winds, and this allows a portion of the very cold surface temperatures to rise to the level of the sheltered instruments (typically at 1.5m elevation).</p>
<p>During the daytime, the snowcover reflects a significant portion of incoming radiational energy skyward (or spaceward). Thus, even daytime temperatures are colder than their urban counterparts when there is snow. Over sod, the day/night radiational properties are quite different, preferentially absorbing energy in the red end of the spectrum and in the UV as well (the reason that grass is green). Grass is also capable of replacing radiational heat loss at night by drawing heat from the ground. Even so, they cool down better than concrete or other compounds with large thermal mass.</p>
<p>Finally, on windy nights, even in rural areas, radiational heat loss at the ground surface is mixed more deeply through the boundary layer and the sensible heat loss through radiational cooling is distributed through a much larger volume of air.</p>
<p>BTW, an UHI is by definition an anthropogenically caused temperature enhancement and no one has argued this in my lifetime. The real question is that on the planetary scale of things does this represent a significant alteration of climate. Can any geographer out there with a facility for pushing numbers, or finding data sources, tell me what percentage of the planet is urbanized?</p>
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		<title>By: jae</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/06/19/ushcn-minimum-temperature-trends/#comment-92608</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that most of the hot spots occur in arid areas.  Where is that &quot;positive water vapor feedback&quot; that I keep hearing about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that most of the hot spots occur in arid areas.  Where is that &#8220;positive water vapor feedback&#8221; that I keep hearing about?</p>
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