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		<title>By: Da el clima &#8220;pasos de borracho&#8221;? &#171; PlazaMoyua.org</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-255220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Da el clima &#8220;pasos de borracho&#8221;? &#171; PlazaMoyua.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] after the close of IPCC peer review in summer 2006 the above paragraph was deleted, the cautionary statement in the Appendix was muted, and new text was added that claimed IPCC trend [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334655&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ross McKitrick (#31)&lt;/a&gt;,

A post just to let you know that laypeople appreciated the paper also.  I would like to see a comment or two from Hu M on the author&#039;s calculations and methods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-334655" rel="nofollow">Ross McKitrick (#31)</a>,</p>
<p>A post just to let you know that laypeople appreciated the paper also.  I would like to see a comment or two from Hu M on the author&#8217;s calculations and methods.</p>
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		<title>By: HFL</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94256</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Ross McKitrick (#31),
Good find Ross.  It&#039;ll be interesting to see how, if at all, the IPCC handles this contribution in AR5.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ross McKitrick (#31),<br />
Good find Ross.  It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how, if at all, the IPCC handles this contribution in AR5.</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94255</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334655&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ross McKitrick (#31)&lt;/a&gt;,

Beran [11]

is a good reference, linear trend is fitted to Jones monthly NH 1854-1989 temperatures, 95 % confidence interval for time trend [-0.000158 ... 0.000802] if long memory is taken into account.

But AR4 Table 3.2. says that


&lt;blockquote&gt;The Durbin Watson D-statistic (not shown) for the residuals, after allowing for first-order serial correlation, never indicates significant positive serial correlation.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

so Beran must be wrong.

Somewhat relevant text I cited &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=5526#comment-334606&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; :


&lt;blockquote&gt;The ACLRM is presumed to be ‘the&#039; appropriate model, even though the residual autocorrelation could have arisen in numerous alternative ways, one of which is that the error follows an AR(1) process.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ACLRM = Autocorrelation- Corrected Linear Regression Model]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-334655" rel="nofollow">Ross McKitrick (#31)</a>,</p>
<p>Beran [11]</p>
<p>is a good reference, linear trend is fitted to Jones monthly NH 1854-1989 temperatures, 95 % confidence interval for time trend [-0.000158 ... 0.000802] if long memory is taken into account.</p>
<p>But AR4 Table 3.2. says that</p>
<blockquote><p>The Durbin Watson D-statistic (not shown) for the residuals, after allowing for first-order serial correlation, never indicates significant positive serial correlation.
</p></blockquote>
<p>so Beran must be wrong.</p>
<p>Somewhat relevant text I cited <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=5526#comment-334606" rel="nofollow">here</a> :</p>
<blockquote><p>The ACLRM is presumed to be ‘the&#8217; appropriate model, even though the residual autocorrelation could have arisen in numerous alternative ways, one of which is that the error follows an AR(1) process.
</p></blockquote>
<p>ACLRM = Autocorrelation- Corrected Linear Regression Model</p>
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		<title>By: TAC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94254</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334655&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ross McKitrick (#31)&lt;/a&gt;,

Thanks for posting this. It is interesting, though not surprising, especially to those who&#039;ve been paying attention to the LTP literature (Koutsoyiannis in particular).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-334655" rel="nofollow">Ross McKitrick (#31)</a>,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this. It is interesting, though not surprising, especially to those who&#8217;ve been paying attention to the LTP literature (Koutsoyiannis in particular).</p>
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		<title>By: Jean S</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334655&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ross McKitrick (#31)&lt;/a&gt;,
Interesting paper. They conclude (my bold):
&lt;blockquote&gt;With respect to the time trend coefficients, the values are positive though they are statistically insignificant, which is in contrast with the results based on I(0) disturbances. The fact that the time trend coefficients are found to be insignificant in our work does not necessarily rule out the hypothesis of warming in the temperatures since &lt;strong&gt;this can be a consequence of the sample size used&lt;/strong&gt; or even misspecification of the model.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If someone has access to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isac.cnr.it/~microcl/climatologia/improve.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IMPROVE-series&lt;/a&gt;, I think it might be worth repeating the experiment with that dataset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-334655" rel="nofollow">Ross McKitrick (#31)</a>,<br />
Interesting paper. They conclude (my bold):</p>
<blockquote><p>With respect to the time trend coefficients, the values are positive though they are statistically insignificant, which is in contrast with the results based on I(0) disturbances. The fact that the time trend coefficients are found to be insignificant in our work does not necessarily rule out the hypothesis of warming in the temperatures since <strong>this can be a consequence of the sample size used</strong> or even misspecification of the model.</p></blockquote>
<p>If someone has access to the <a href="http://www.isac.cnr.it/~microcl/climatologia/improve.php" rel="nofollow">IMPROVE-series</a>, I think it might be worth repeating the experiment with that dataset.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross McKitrick</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross McKitrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hindawi.com/GetArticle.aspx?doi=10.1155/2009/415290&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an interesting new article&lt;/a&gt; in the newish journal Advances in Meteorology

Persistence and Time Trends in the Temperatures in Spain
Luis A. Gil-Alana

Abstract:


&lt;blockquote&gt;This paper deals with the analysis of the temperatures in several locations in Spain during the last 50 years. We focus on the degree of persistence of the series, measured through a fractional differencing parameter. This is crucial to properly estimate the parameters of the time trend coefficients in order to determine the degree of warming in the area. The results indicate that all series are fractionally integrated with orders of integration ranging between 0 and 0.5. Moreover, the time trend coefficients are all positive though they are statistically insignificant, which is in contrast with the results based on nonfractional integration.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


So persistence matters after all when deciding whether a trend is significant. The IPCC&#039;s treatment of this issue was a real scam. Remember that after the 2nd review round they had inserted the following paragraph based on reviewer comments (who were drawing from peer-reviewed literature) to which the lead authors had no response except hand-waving and denial:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Determining the statistical significance of a trend line in geophysical data is difficult, and many oversimplified techniques will tend to overstate the significance. Zheng and Basher (1999), Cohn and Lins (2005) and others have used time series methods to show that failure to properly treat the pervasive forms of long-term persistence and autocorrelation in trend residuals can make erroneous detection of trends a typical outcome in climatic data analysis.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then with no authorization this paragraph was subsequently deleted from the published IPCC report. They can remove the text about persistence from the IPCC report, but they can&#039;t remove the persistence from temperature data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.hindawi.com/GetArticle.aspx?doi=10.1155/2009/415290" rel="nofollow">an interesting new article</a> in the newish journal Advances in Meteorology</p>
<p>Persistence and Time Trends in the Temperatures in Spain<br />
Luis A. Gil-Alana</p>
<p>Abstract:</p>
<blockquote><p>This paper deals with the analysis of the temperatures in several locations in Spain during the last 50 years. We focus on the degree of persistence of the series, measured through a fractional differencing parameter. This is crucial to properly estimate the parameters of the time trend coefficients in order to determine the degree of warming in the area. The results indicate that all series are fractionally integrated with orders of integration ranging between 0 and 0.5. Moreover, the time trend coefficients are all positive though they are statistically insignificant, which is in contrast with the results based on nonfractional integration.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So persistence matters after all when deciding whether a trend is significant. The IPCC&#8217;s treatment of this issue was a real scam. Remember that after the 2nd review round they had inserted the following paragraph based on reviewer comments (who were drawing from peer-reviewed literature) to which the lead authors had no response except hand-waving and denial:</p>
<blockquote><p>Determining the statistical significance of a trend line in geophysical data is difficult, and many oversimplified techniques will tend to overstate the significance. Zheng and Basher (1999), Cohn and Lins (2005) and others have used time series methods to show that failure to properly treat the pervasive forms of long-term persistence and autocorrelation in trend residuals can make erroneous detection of trends a typical outcome in climatic data analysis.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then with no authorization this paragraph was subsequently deleted from the published IPCC report. They can remove the text about persistence from the IPCC report, but they can&#8217;t remove the persistence from temperature data.</p>
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		<title>By: TAC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TAC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hu (#29):

&lt;blockquote&gt;What was stumping me was how to write out a recursive one-pass formula for the likelihood. Evidently there just isnt one!&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Hosking [1984] presents a remarkably accurate approximation to the FARIMA (&lt;em&gt;arfima&lt;/em&gt;) likelihood function that avoids using the full correlation matrix. Although this amounts to just a numerical shortcut -- the Cholesky-decomposition approach will work -- it is of practical importance: Long-term persistence may require keeping track of thousands to millions of lagged correlations, and the corresponding correlation matrix thus may have millions to trillions of elements.

Hosking, J. (1984), Modeling persistence in hydrological time series using
fractional differencing, Water Resour. Res., 20(12), 1898 1908.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hu (#29):</p>
<blockquote><p>What was stumping me was how to write out a recursive one-pass formula for the likelihood. Evidently there just isnt one!</p></blockquote>
<p>Hosking [1984] presents a remarkably accurate approximation to the FARIMA (<em>arfima</em>) likelihood function that avoids using the full correlation matrix. Although this amounts to just a numerical shortcut &#8212; the Cholesky-decomposition approach will work &#8212; it is of practical importance: Long-term persistence may require keeping track of thousands to millions of lagged correlations, and the corresponding correlation matrix thus may have millions to trillions of elements.</p>
<p>Hosking, J. (1984), Modeling persistence in hydrological time series using<br />
fractional differencing, Water Resour. Res., 20(12), 1898 1908.</p>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE Geoff Sherrington, #25:
I used SOM 3220 data from NCDC, which is relatively unadjusted. (Areally at most).  This is not a USHCN site, and so doesn&#039;t get the full battery of CDIAC adjustments.  In any event, it has always measured at midnight, so there is no TOB to worry about, and apparently has always used glass thermometers so there is no MMTS adjustment to make.

Wooster OH, which is also in CRU and is relatively unurbanized, shows a distinct downtrend since 1920 or 1930 in the 3220 data.  I haven&#039;t tried to test it for any kind of significance yet, though, as I&#039;m still trying to figure out how to get data through 2006 with and without all the adjustments.  (It switched from midnight to 0700 and then 0800, which is a relatively small TOB, but I might as well use the official adjustments for this.)

I&#039;m guessing that the downtrend for Wooster will also be insignificant, but that the difference between the two stations since 1948 will have a significant trend, indicating progressive urbanization of the Columbus airport site, and therefore the unsuitability of it and stations like it for CRU.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE Geoff Sherrington, #25:<br />
I used SOM 3220 data from NCDC, which is relatively unadjusted. (Areally at most).  This is not a USHCN site, and so doesn&#8217;t get the full battery of CDIAC adjustments.  In any event, it has always measured at midnight, so there is no TOB to worry about, and apparently has always used glass thermometers so there is no MMTS adjustment to make.</p>
<p>Wooster OH, which is also in CRU and is relatively unurbanized, shows a distinct downtrend since 1920 or 1930 in the 3220 data.  I haven&#8217;t tried to test it for any kind of significance yet, though, as I&#8217;m still trying to figure out how to get data through 2006 with and without all the adjustments.  (It switched from midnight to 0700 and then 0800, which is a relatively small TOB, but I might as well use the official adjustments for this.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that the downtrend for Wooster will also be insignificant, but that the difference between the two stations since 1948 will have a significant trend, indicating progressive urbanization of the Columbus airport site, and therefore the unsuitability of it and stations like it for CRU.</p>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/06/review-comments-on-the-ipcc-test/#comment-94249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE TAC #27:
I don&#039;t disagree at all.  DW just tests for AR(1) &quot;short memory&quot; serial correlation.  (Even if rho is near 1, the memory is said to be &quot;short&quot; because the autocorrelations fall off geometrically with distance.)

My point was just that IPCC&#039;s using it to test for AR(2) serial correlation, is a fairly obvious, if naive and invalid, thing to do.
I don&#039;t think their wording on Table 3.2 claims that their DW is testing for LTP.  They merely dismiss LPT as raised by Cohn and Lins out of hand, and then use their DW (incorrectly) to test for AR(2).  Their wording isn&#039;t terribly clear, however, whence the confusion. They can be legitimately faulted for using DW instead of Durbin&#039;s h (or some other valid test), but they would not be the first to make this mistake.

Durbin (1970) showed that DW gives inconsistent results when applied to the residuals of an AR(1) model, and proposed instead his h statistic.  This  converts DW into an approximate serial correlation coefficient using rho ~~ (1-DW/2), and then jacks it up by a factor which is the square root of a certain quotient. This has an asymptotic N(0,1) distribution.


Many people are frightened away from Durbin&#039;s h by the fact that the denominator of the quotient can be negative, resulting in an imaginary test statistic that is hard to place on a table of normal critical values.  However, as the denominator approaches 0, the statistic approaches infinity, and hence clearly indicates a reject.  My view is that a negative quotient should thus be interpreted as giving a statistic that is &quot;beyond infinity&quot;, and therefore an even easier reject.

Inference and testing with &quot;Long Memory&quot; or fractional differencing (where the correlations die out slowly as a power function rather than geometrically) has long baffled me.  However, on thinking about it over the past couple of days, I think the following brute force method would work for an ARFIMA equation of the form P(L)(I - L)^d y = Q(L)e:  First, figure out the autocorrelation matrix in terms of d and the variance of e.  (There are messy equations somewhere for the FI part of this.)  Then compute the likelihood as a function of d, var(e), and the P and Q coefficients, and maximize this numerically.  The null hypothesis d = 0 is on the boundary of the parameter space, and so the LR for it doesn&#039;t have the usual chi-square distribution, and in any event, if the y&#039;s are the residuals of a first-stage regression (eg of temp on a time trend, CO2, or tree rings), d and/or the AR coefficients will probably be biased downwards.  However, all the parameters can be median unbiased along the lines of the Monte Carlo method of Andrews (Econometrica 1993), something I have gotten to work recently in the AR(p) case.  This procedure should also give an exact finite sample p-value for a null such as d = 0 (conditional on the median-unbiased estimates of the other coefficients.)

What was stumping me was how to write out a recursive one-pass formula for the likelihood.  Evidently there just isn&#039;t one!  In fact, the only way to simulate such a process (as required by Andrews&#039; method) is to use the Cholesky decomposition of the n X n autocorrelation matrix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE TAC #27:<br />
I don&#8217;t disagree at all.  DW just tests for AR(1) &#8220;short memory&#8221; serial correlation.  (Even if rho is near 1, the memory is said to be &#8220;short&#8221; because the autocorrelations fall off geometrically with distance.)</p>
<p>My point was just that IPCC&#8217;s using it to test for AR(2) serial correlation, is a fairly obvious, if naive and invalid, thing to do.<br />
I don&#8217;t think their wording on Table 3.2 claims that their DW is testing for LTP.  They merely dismiss LPT as raised by Cohn and Lins out of hand, and then use their DW (incorrectly) to test for AR(2).  Their wording isn&#8217;t terribly clear, however, whence the confusion. They can be legitimately faulted for using DW instead of Durbin&#8217;s h (or some other valid test), but they would not be the first to make this mistake.</p>
<p>Durbin (1970) showed that DW gives inconsistent results when applied to the residuals of an AR(1) model, and proposed instead his h statistic.  This  converts DW into an approximate serial correlation coefficient using rho ~~ (1-DW/2), and then jacks it up by a factor which is the square root of a certain quotient. This has an asymptotic N(0,1) distribution.</p>
<p>Many people are frightened away from Durbin&#8217;s h by the fact that the denominator of the quotient can be negative, resulting in an imaginary test statistic that is hard to place on a table of normal critical values.  However, as the denominator approaches 0, the statistic approaches infinity, and hence clearly indicates a reject.  My view is that a negative quotient should thus be interpreted as giving a statistic that is &#8220;beyond infinity&#8221;, and therefore an even easier reject.</p>
<p>Inference and testing with &#8220;Long Memory&#8221; or fractional differencing (where the correlations die out slowly as a power function rather than geometrically) has long baffled me.  However, on thinking about it over the past couple of days, I think the following brute force method would work for an ARFIMA equation of the form P(L)(I &#8211; L)^d y = Q(L)e:  First, figure out the autocorrelation matrix in terms of d and the variance of e.  (There are messy equations somewhere for the FI part of this.)  Then compute the likelihood as a function of d, var(e), and the P and Q coefficients, and maximize this numerically.  The null hypothesis d = 0 is on the boundary of the parameter space, and so the LR for it doesn&#8217;t have the usual chi-square distribution, and in any event, if the y&#8217;s are the residuals of a first-stage regression (eg of temp on a time trend, CO2, or tree rings), d and/or the AR coefficients will probably be biased downwards.  However, all the parameters can be median unbiased along the lines of the Monte Carlo method of Andrews (Econometrica 1993), something I have gotten to work recently in the AR(p) case.  This procedure should also give an exact finite sample p-value for a null such as d = 0 (conditional on the median-unbiased estimates of the other coefficients.)</p>
<p>What was stumping me was how to write out a recursive one-pass formula for the likelihood.  Evidently there just isn&#8217;t one!  In fact, the only way to simulate such a process (as required by Andrews&#8217; method) is to use the Cholesky decomposition of the n X n autocorrelation matrix.</p>
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