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	<title>Comments on: Hansen and the GHCN Manual</title>
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	<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/</link>
	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: D. Patterson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Patterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #10

In fact, Jerry has been providing commentary at Chaos Manor in regard to the current state of climate science and Global Warming hysteria.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #10</p>
<p>In fact, Jerry has been providing commentary at Chaos Manor in regard to the current state of climate science and Global Warming hysteria.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE 10.

  Where&#039;s jerry

  http://www.weirdstuff.com/sunnyvale/html/weirdcam.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE 10.</p>
<p>  Where&#8217;s jerry</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.weirdstuff.com/sunnyvale/html/weirdcam.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.weirdstuff.com/sunnyvale/html/weirdcam.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good to see ol&#039; Jerry P is still around. Imagine if he sank his teeth into the climate science shenanigans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see ol&#8217; Jerry P is still around. Imagine if he sank his teeth into the climate science shenanigans.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Moore</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #7:
That&#039;s pretty much my point. Ideally, a client (scientist, engineer, etc) should understand his data well enough to be able to specify to a programmer what he wants. This might take a few rewites, but the end product (hopefully) will be reproducible.
Sadly, that doesn&#039;t appear to be the case with a lot of what we see.


I continue to visit the Manor. Often worth the trip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #7:<br />
That&#8217;s pretty much my point. Ideally, a client (scientist, engineer, etc) should understand his data well enough to be able to specify to a programmer what he wants. This might take a few rewites, but the end product (hopefully) will be reproducible.<br />
Sadly, that doesn&#8217;t appear to be the case with a lot of what we see.</p>
<p>I continue to visit the Manor. Often worth the trip.</p>
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		<title>By: VG</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re #3 link should have been
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg
mes apologies]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #3 link should have been<br />
<a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg</a><br />
mes apologies</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Urbinto</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Urbinto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re Steve Moore #2  It&#039;s been my experience someone that&#039;s an expert programmer does pretty much that alone.  True for most experts.  They focus.  Being an X and having to program is usually a side thing.    In fact, in my experience, it usually takes a few people just to do one thing correctly.

BTW, Chaos Manor is still around: http://www.chaosmanorreviews.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Steve Moore #2  It&#8217;s been my experience someone that&#8217;s an expert programmer does pretty much that alone.  True for most experts.  They focus.  Being an X and having to program is usually a side thing.    In fact, in my experience, it usually takes a few people just to do one thing correctly.</p>
<p>BTW, Chaos Manor is still around: <a href="http://www.chaosmanorreviews.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chaosmanorreviews.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert L</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104020</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose it is possible that Hansen wrote the manual?

In which case he is merely exercising his options to:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Unfortunately, preserving the duplicates may cause some difficulty for users familiar with only one correct mean monthly temperature value at a station. There are many different ways to use data from duplicates. All have advantages and disadvantages. One can use the single duplicate with the most data for the period of interest; use the longest time series and fill in missing points using the duplicates; average all data points for that station/year/month to create a mean time series; or combine the information in more complicated ways, such as averaging the first difference (FDyear 1 = Tyear 2 - Tyear 1) time series of the duplicates and creating a new time series from the average first difference series. Which technique is the best depends on the type of analysis being performed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Get the result desired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it is possible that Hansen wrote the manual?</p>
<p>In which case he is merely exercising his options to:</p>
<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, preserving the duplicates may cause some difficulty for users familiar with only one correct mean monthly temperature value at a station. There are many different ways to use data from duplicates. All have advantages and disadvantages. One can use the single duplicate with the most data for the period of interest; use the longest time series and fill in missing points using the duplicates; average all data points for that station/year/month to create a mean time series; or combine the information in more complicated ways, such as averaging the first difference (FDyear 1 = Tyear 2 &#8211; Tyear 1) time series of the duplicates and creating a new time series from the average first difference series. Which technique is the best depends on the type of analysis being performed.</p></blockquote>
<p>Get the result desired.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104019</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin and Eli are always quick to tell people to RTFR: Read The ..-. ..- -.-. -.- .. -. --. Rules

This is similiar to RTFM. Read The ..-. ..- -.-. -.- .. -. --. Manual.

How many more mistakes do we have to find in Hansen&#039;s prosecution before he Frees the Code.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin and Eli are always quick to tell people to RTFR: Read The ..-. ..- -.-. -.- .. -. &#8211;. Rules</p>
<p>This is similiar to RTFM. Read The ..-. ..- -.-. -.- .. -. &#8211;. Manual.</p>
<p>How many more mistakes do we have to find in Hansen&#8217;s prosecution before he Frees the Code.</p>
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		<title>By: John F. Pittman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104018</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John F. Pittman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Preserving the multiple duplicates provides some distinct benefits. It guarantees no concatenation errors. Adding the recent data from one time series to the end of a different time series can cause discontinuities unless the mean temperature was calculated the same way for both time series.&lt;/blockquote&gt; With Hansen saying that they used a 5 sigma (?, by memory)to determine to reject a data point, doesn&#039;t the above quote indicate that there would certainly be errors in Hansen&#039;s approach due to his implicit assumption that he could combine station data using one method, rather than looking and determining which method was appropriate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Preserving the multiple duplicates provides some distinct benefits. It guarantees no concatenation errors. Adding the recent data from one time series to the end of a different time series can cause discontinuities unless the mean temperature was calculated the same way for both time series.</p></blockquote>
<p> With Hansen saying that they used a 5 sigma (?, by memory)to determine to reject a data point, doesn&#8217;t the above quote indicate that there would certainly be errors in Hansen&#8217;s approach due to his implicit assumption that he could combine station data using one method, rather than looking and determining which method was appropriate?</p>
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		<title>By: VG</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/09/07/hansen-and-the-ghcn-manual/#comment-104017</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dont know if this should be posted here. From cryosphere today: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpgnote Antarctica extent has gone off charts 8th sept, 2007 but no mention (or correction to chart) as distinct to record decrease in artic...By the way, artic is also increasing (albeit from record low) autumm 4-5 weeks soon compared to previous year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont know if this should be posted here. From cryosphere today: <a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpgnote" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpgnote</a> Antarctica extent has gone off charts 8th sept, 2007 but no mention (or correction to chart) as distinct to record decrease in artic&#8230;By the way, artic is also increasing (albeit from record low) autumm 4-5 weeks soon compared to previous year.</p>
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