Comments on: A First Look at the CRU Station List http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/ by Steve McIntyre Tue, 21 May 2013 15:32:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Inquiry Disinformation about CRUTEM « Climate Audit http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-235949 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:20:48 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-235949 [...] Comments A First Look at the CRU Station List « Climate Audit on Why does CRU have a confidentiality agreement with Germany?klee12 on [...]

]]> By: Surfacestations UK project getting started « Watts Up With That? http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-109968 Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:11:33 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-109968 [...] provide public access to all records. That level of access is not as common (or missing altogether, requiring FOI actions) in other [...]

]]> By: Hu McCulloch http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-109967 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:01:07 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-109967 Here are some corrections to the concordance. I posted them already on the 12/16/07 thread #2508 on SF weather stations, but for Steve’s convenience am copying them here:

According to CA’s CRU list at http://data.climateaudit.org/data/station/cru/cru.info.dat, SFO (San Francisco, CA, CRU # 72494000 at 37.6, -122.4) and San Francisco/Mission (CRU # 72003300 at 37.8, -122.4) are both CRU stations. ….

Somehow Steve’s quick initial concordance of the CRU list identified the SF/Mission CRU listing with San Luis Obispo Poly, and the “Pine Bluff” CRU listing at 34.2, -92 (in Ark.) with SF/Dolores.

For further discussion of these two CRU sites, see thread #2508.

Steve: I’ve updated the CRU.info to correct this and some related misses.

]]> By: Hu McCulloch http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-109966 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:30:45 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-109966 Steve identifies the “Sidney” CRU station (#72531100, 40.3, -84.2) with Charleston [IL], 39.48, -88.16 [GHCN 42572531001]. In fact, this would be Sidney, Shelby Co., OH (N. of Dayton on I 75, between Piqua and Wapakoneta). It is not clear, however, whether this would be Sidney 1S (COOP 337693, NCDC 20015400; 40.27056, -84.15056) or the nearby Sidney Highway Dept (COOP 337698, NCDC 20015406; 40.298330, -84.163330). In either event, this is neither an urban airport nor an USHCN station, unlike the other Ohio CRU stations.

]]> By: Hu McCulloch http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-109965 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:42:09 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-109965 Some idiot wrote (#30)

Furthermore, CMH is downwind (W) of the city proper

Um … make that (E).

]]> By: Hu McCulloch http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-109964 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:37:55 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-109964 I did a quick check of the US portion of the CRU list to find CRU stations in Ohio. To my surprise, there was only 1 overlap with the USHCN set, namely Wooster Experimental Station.

The others were the following urban locations: Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton, Akron/Canton, Cleveland, Sandusky (not to be confused with the distant Upper Sandusky USHCN site), Youngstown, and Toledo. The Columbus station is the thriving Port Columbus International Airport. MMS actually gives its baggage code, CMH, as one of its identifiers! The MMS Map tab Satellite option shows a jet taxiing down a nearby, heavily blackened runway. Furthermore, CMH is downwind (W) of the city proper.

I haven’t checked the other urban sites, but I suspect they are also airports. Out west, where there are fewer international airports per square mile, the frequency of airports may be less. But in ROW, I suspect there are a lot of airports.

So is CRU measuring global warming, or global air traffic?

PS: Anthony gives Wooster a 3, but I think that is rather harsh. There’s just a dinky brick building whose corner is ~15 m from the sensor. You have to search the NSEW photos to even find it. More anon, elsewhere, perhaps.

]]> By: Tom Vix http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-109963 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:57:50 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-109963 I’m new to this but wouldn’t the World Meteorological Organization have a master list to check all this against?

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]]> By: JerryB http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-109961 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:01:51 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-109961 The following matches were found via a file named cruwlda2.zip which
once was available at http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/advance10k/climdata.htm
but now the comment says “This dataset is no longer available …”
However,I got a copy back when it was available, an so did Warwick. :-)

94576000 BRISBANE APT AUSTRALIA -27.5 153 41 NA NA NA NA NA
945760__ BRISBANE APT AUSTRALIA -275-1530 41 19511970 101951
945780__ BRISBANE APT AUSTRALIA -275-1530 0 18871990 101887
82596000 CEARA MIRIM BRAZIL -5.7 -35.4 0 NA NA NA NA NA
825960__ CEARA MIRIM BRAZIL -57 354 64 19691980 101969
78455000 DAJABOU DOMINICA 19.6 -71.7 -999 NA NA NA NA NA
784550__ DAJABOU DOMINICA 196 717 -999 19611968 101961
83379000 FORMOSA BRAZIL -15.5 -47.3 906 NA NA NA NA NA
833790__ FORMOSA BRAZIL -155 473 906 19611974 101961
61834000 KISSIDOUGOU GUINEA 9.1 -10.1 -999 NA NA NA NA NA
618340__ KISSIDOUGOU GUINEA 91 101 -999 19731980 101973
94567000 MARYBOROUGH AUSTRALIA -25.5 152.7 11 NA NA NA NA NA
945670__ MARYBOROUGH COMPOSIT E 256-1526 0 19081989 101908
78461000 MOCA DOMINICA 19.4 -70.5 -999 NA NA NA NA NA
784610__ MOCA DOMINICA 194 705 -999 19611968 101961
722310__ NEW ORLEANS USA 300 901 17 18741990 101874
72231000 NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIA USA 30 -90.3 9 NA NA NA NA NA
72503000 NEW YORK/LA GUARDIA, USA 40.8 -73.9 9 NA NA NA NA NA
725030__ NEW YORK/LAGARDIA USA 408 739 16 19471990 101947
467350__ PENGHU FORMOSA 235-1196 11 19511966 101951
46735000 PENGHU TAIWAN 23.6 119.6 10 NA NA NA NA NA
999224__ PERGAMINO ARGENTINA -999-1999 -999 19311960 101931
87484000 PERGAMINO/INTA ARGENTINA -33.9 -60.6 65 NA NA NA NA NA

]]> By: JerryB http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/03/a-first-look-at-the-cru-station-list/#comment-109960 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:51:26 +0000 http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2138#comment-109960 A few more matching locations from
ftp://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pub/ndp020/jonesnh.dat and
ftp://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pub/ndp020/jonessh.dat
and a better match for Taipei.

726700 CODY USA 445 1091 1521 1 1909 1980 10 1909
72670000 CODY USA 44.5 -109.1 1521 NA NA NA NA NA
725027 NEW YORK USA 407 740 10 1 1822 1977 10 1822
72502700 NEW YORK USA 40.7 -74 10 NA NA NA NA NA
724706 PIUTE DAM USA 383 1122 1798 1 1918 1970 20 1918
72470600 PIUTE DAM USA 38.3 -112.2 1798 NA NA NA NA NA
727886 PROSSER 4 USA 463 1198 275 1 1913 1980 10 1913
72788600 PROSSER 4 USA 46.3 -119.8 275 NA NA NA NA NA
715274 RIDGETOWN CANADA 425 819 206 1 1885 1980 12 1886
71997700 RIDGETOWN ACS CANADA 42.5 -81.9 206 NA NA NA NA NA
467490 TAICHUNG TAIWAN 242 -1207 85 1 1897 1960 12 1897
46749000 TAICHUNG TAIWAN 24.2 120.7 84 NA NA NA NA NA
466920 TAIPEI TAIWAN 250 -1215 9 1 1897 1972 10 1897
46692000 TAIPEI TAIWAN 25 121.5 5 NA NA NA NA NA
726878 UMATILLA USA 459 1194 86 1 1902 1965 10 1902
72687800 UMATILLA USA 45.9 -119.4 86 NA NA NA NA NA
722867 YORBA LINDA USA 339 1178 117 1 1914 1980 10 1914
72286700 YORBA LINDA USA 33.9 -117.8 117 NA NA NA NA NA

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