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	<title>Comments on: Sensor Blackening</title>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Captdallas2 writes (#34),

&lt;blockquote&gt;31 Dont forget the yellowing of the plastic that comes with UV exposure. That is one problem that has been noted by the AMS.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you have a reference to an AMS publication on this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captdallas2 writes (#34),</p>
<blockquote><p>31 Dont forget the yellowing of the plastic that comes with UV exposure. That is one problem that has been noted by the AMS.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you have a reference to an AMS publication on this?</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112793</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking about sensor blackening made me think about the whitewash issue again.

That led me to compare MMTS against Minmax.  Why, well before a station was switched
to MMTS it was likley a MinMAX in a CRS ( stevenson screen)

So you have a history of CRS stations. At some point they start switching to MMTS
those that remain as MinMAX in a CRS will have the painting Issue. That is, after they
switch paint on a CRS away from whitewash, we can expect a warming relative to MMTS
All else being equal. Thus in the early station historys MinMax and MMTS should look
the same, because MMTS is actually MinMax ( the current variable only has the end
state of the site)

I have to double check some dates with Anthony, But MinMAX and &quot;MMTS&quot; show no difference
until the late 70s. then MinMAx warms relative to MMTS by .2C. change in paint may
be more important than blackening sensor sheilds]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about sensor blackening made me think about the whitewash issue again.</p>
<p>That led me to compare MMTS against Minmax.  Why, well before a station was switched<br />
to MMTS it was likley a MinMAX in a CRS ( stevenson screen)</p>
<p>So you have a history of CRS stations. At some point they start switching to MMTS<br />
those that remain as MinMAX in a CRS will have the painting Issue. That is, after they<br />
switch paint on a CRS away from whitewash, we can expect a warming relative to MMTS<br />
All else being equal. Thus in the early station historys MinMax and MMTS should look<br />
the same, because MMTS is actually MinMax ( the current variable only has the end<br />
state of the site)</p>
<p>I have to double check some dates with Anthony, But MinMAX and &#8220;MMTS&#8221; show no difference<br />
until the late 70s. then MinMAx warms relative to MMTS by .2C. change in paint may<br />
be more important than blackening sensor sheilds</p>
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		<title>By: captdallas2</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captdallas2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[31 Don&#039;t forget the yellowing of the plastic that comes with UV exposure.  That is one problem that has been noted by the AMS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>31 Don&#8217;t forget the yellowing of the plastic that comes with UV exposure.  That is one problem that has been noted by the AMS.</p>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112791</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony Watts writes, #12,

&lt;blockquote&gt;crud on the beehive study Yeah thatll make it into Nature&lt;/blockquote&gt;


A fitting sequel to your forthcoming &quot;Bats in the Birdhouse&quot;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony Watts writes, #12,</p>
<blockquote><p>crud on the beehive study Yeah thatll make it into Nature</p></blockquote>
<p>A fitting sequel to your forthcoming &#8220;Bats in the Birdhouse&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Fisher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112790</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Fisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #13 &amp; #24:

Larry, you seem to believe that an aspirated sensor won&#039;t suffer from contamination problems (or perhaps not as much), but I disagree. I would have thought that dust etc could easily collect on the sensor itself - open your PC and see how much dust collects on the CPU heatsink! IMO, this would be worse than a contaminated screen because you are essentially covering the sensor itself in a thick coating of unknown thermal properties, which could easily reduce max reading and/or increase min reading. If MMTS is aspirated AND remote reading (which AFAIK, it is), then the problem (if any) could go unnoticed for a LONG time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #13 &amp; #24:</p>
<p>Larry, you seem to believe that an aspirated sensor won&#8217;t suffer from contamination problems (or perhaps not as much), but I disagree. I would have thought that dust etc could easily collect on the sensor itself &#8211; open your PC and see how much dust collects on the CPU heatsink! IMO, this would be worse than a contaminated screen because you are essentially covering the sensor itself in a thick coating of unknown thermal properties, which could easily reduce max reading and/or increase min reading. If MMTS is aspirated AND remote reading (which AFAIK, it is), then the problem (if any) could go unnoticed for a LONG time!</p>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112789</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any visible darkening of the sensor would tend to elevate daytime high temperatures because of increased absorption of visible radiation.

But what would be the effect on nighttime lows?  I guess this depends on the emissivity of the dirt versus the white plastic in the long-wave IR spectrum, and might differ with mildew, soot, clay, rust, or egg yolk (per #27!).

Does anyone have an informed guess?  Or even actual knowledge?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any visible darkening of the sensor would tend to elevate daytime high temperatures because of increased absorption of visible radiation.</p>
<p>But what would be the effect on nighttime lows?  I guess this depends on the emissivity of the dirt versus the white plastic in the long-wave IR spectrum, and might differ with mildew, soot, clay, rust, or egg yolk (per #27!).</p>
<p>Does anyone have an informed guess?  Or even actual knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112788</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Smith (#27) writes,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I surveyed one MMTS in Jennins, LA which had apparently been egged ( photo ) .

In case egging is unknown elsewhere, its an act of throwing chicken eggs at some object, usually by teenagers and usually thrown at something of which they disapprove. I think this MMTS is simply an easy target, being close to a country road.

Dried egg residue does not weather away very well. This stain could be around for a while, unless the curator cleans it.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Score one bullseye for Global Warming!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Smith (#27) writes,</p>
<blockquote><p>I surveyed one MMTS in Jennins, LA which had apparently been egged ( photo ) .</p>
<p>In case egging is unknown elsewhere, its an act of throwing chicken eggs at some object, usually by teenagers and usually thrown at something of which they disapprove. I think this MMTS is simply an easy target, being close to a country road.</p>
<p>Dried egg residue does not weather away very well. This stain could be around for a while, unless the curator cleans it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Score one bullseye for Global Warming!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Watts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112787</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Watts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE28 Clayton, thank you.  FYI the graph has no meaning prior to 1985, since MMTS didn&#039;t get deployed before them. Perhaps a reduced tie scale would be better?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE28 Clayton, thank you.  FYI the graph has no meaning prior to 1985, since MMTS didn&#8217;t get deployed before them. Perhaps a reduced tie scale would be better?</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton B.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112786</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clayton B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Per the request in #19

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per the request in #19</p>
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		<title>By: David Smith</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/20/sensor-blackening/#comment-112785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I surveyed one MMTS in Jennins, LA which had apparently been &quot;egged&quot; ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=24772&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; photo &lt;/a&gt; ) .

In case &quot;egging&quot; is unknown elsewhere, it&#039;s an act of throwing chicken eggs at some object, usually by teenagers and usually thrown at something of which they disapprove. I think this MMTS is simply an easy target, being close to a country road.

Dried egg residue does not weather away very well. This stain could be around for a while, unless the curator cleans it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I surveyed one MMTS in Jennins, LA which had apparently been &#8220;egged&#8221; ( <a href="http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=24772" rel="nofollow"> photo </a> ) .</p>
<p>In case &#8220;egging&#8221; is unknown elsewhere, it&#8217;s an act of throwing chicken eggs at some object, usually by teenagers and usually thrown at something of which they disapprove. I think this MMTS is simply an easy target, being close to a country road.</p>
<p>Dried egg residue does not weather away very well. This stain could be around for a while, unless the curator cleans it.</p>
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