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	<title>Comments on: Historical Station Distribution</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Spot-The-Warming &#124; Omnologos</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-330761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spot-The-Warming &#124; Omnologos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] are both from comments in Climate Audit, where there is this telling map about the distribution of actual measurement stations across the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are both from comments in Climate Audit, where there is this telling map about the distribution of actual measurement stations across the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spot-The-Warming &#171; The Unbearable Nakedness of CLIMATE CHANGE</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-329932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spot-The-Warming &#171; The Unbearable Nakedness of CLIMATE CHANGE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] are both from comments in Climate Audit, where there is this telling map about the distribution of actual measurement stations across the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are both from comments in Climate Audit, where there is this telling map about the distribution of actual measurement stations across the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: La fabbrica delle temperature &#124; Climate Monitor</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-249980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[La fabbrica delle temperature &#124; Climate Monitor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] questo link su ClimateAudit, il blog di Steve McIntyre, ci sono delle mappe molto interessanti sulla distribuzione delle stazioni di osservazione sul [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] questo link su ClimateAudit, il blog di Steve McIntyre, ci sono delle mappe molto interessanti sulla distribuzione delle stazioni di osservazione sul [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Harris</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-136564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Harris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 07:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to use this sequence of graphs by John Goetz for a presentation in a couple of days but don&#039;t really understand the following &quot;

“In the case where multiple … records exist for a station in the given year, I assigned a blue dot if all records were fully calculated from existing averages, a red dot if at least one record was estimated, and no dot if none of the records could produce an estimate.“

Even if one of the multiple records at a location exists continuously without breaks, surely the station deserves a blue dot?

Tom Harris
tom.harris@sympatico.ca]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to use this sequence of graphs by John Goetz for a presentation in a couple of days but don&#8217;t really understand the following &#8221;</p>
<p>“In the case where multiple … records exist for a station in the given year, I assigned a blue dot if all records were fully calculated from existing averages, a red dot if at least one record was estimated, and no dot if none of the records could produce an estimate.“</p>
<p>Even if one of the multiple records at a location exists continuously without breaks, surely the station deserves a blue dot?</p>
<p>Tom Harris<br />
<a href="mailto:tom.harris@sympatico.ca">tom.harris@sympatico.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-136563</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sooooo, where is the science behind &quot;man-made&quot; global warming?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooooo, where is the science behind &#8220;man-made&#8221; global warming?</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-136562</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re 108.  Well, Menne&#039;s paper is available but it was kinda milk toast]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 108.  Well, Menne&#8217;s paper is available but it was kinda milk toast</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-136561</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE 108. YUP!  and the link to the &quot;visual&quot; ftp site, the one with the folders has vanished.

Hmmm. Changes are a foot laddies. Also, GISS changed their monthly .txt output creating some minor annoyances for excell users of data. Adding text headers, adding additional headers
every 20 years... Silly boys. what a piece of code can add another peice of code can subtract

Off topic but of interest to the excell Wennies: Switch to Openoffice. you can extend it
with R!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE 108. YUP!  and the link to the &#8220;visual&#8221; ftp site, the one with the folders has vanished.</p>
<p>Hmmm. Changes are a foot laddies. Also, GISS changed their monthly .txt output creating some minor annoyances for excell users of data. Adding text headers, adding additional headers<br />
every 20 years&#8230; Silly boys. what a piece of code can add another peice of code can subtract</p>
<p>Off topic but of interest to the excell Wennies: Switch to Openoffice. you can extend it<br />
with R!</p>
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		<title>By: JerryB</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-136560</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JerryB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Belated, but perhaps useful:

Various organizations have collected temperature data from meteorological
organizations around the world.  Some continue to do so.  Some pass on
much of that data in more or less convenient manners.  One such
organization is the US NCDC, a part of NOAA.

Among their collections of data is GHCN V2, a combination of previously
collected (i.e. mostly old) data from numerous sources, and relatively
recent data from some US locations, and some non-US locations that are
MCDW locations, i.e. many fewer locations than were among the collections
of old data.  The apparent &quot;drop&quot; in the numbers of GHCN stations was
largely due to the large number of non-MCDW stations that were included
among the collections of old data.

See the paper:

Peterson, T.C., and R.S.  Vose, 1997:  An overview of the Global
Historical Climatology Network temperature database.  Bulletin of the
American Meteorological Society, 78 (12), 2837-2849.  (PDF Version)

linked at:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ghcn-monthly/index.php?name=temperature
for more information on GHCN V2 sources.

Non-US locations which are not MCDW locations are not included in the
GHCN process for gathering relatively recent data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belated, but perhaps useful:</p>
<p>Various organizations have collected temperature data from meteorological<br />
organizations around the world.  Some continue to do so.  Some pass on<br />
much of that data in more or less convenient manners.  One such<br />
organization is the US NCDC, a part of NOAA.</p>
<p>Among their collections of data is GHCN V2, a combination of previously<br />
collected (i.e. mostly old) data from numerous sources, and relatively<br />
recent data from some US locations, and some non-US locations that are<br />
MCDW locations, i.e. many fewer locations than were among the collections<br />
of old data.  The apparent &#8220;drop&#8221; in the numbers of GHCN stations was<br />
largely due to the large number of non-MCDW stations that were included<br />
among the collections of old data.</p>
<p>See the paper:</p>
<p>Peterson, T.C., and R.S.  Vose, 1997:  An overview of the Global<br />
Historical Climatology Network temperature database.  Bulletin of the<br />
American Meteorological Society, 78 (12), 2837-2849.  (PDF Version)</p>
<p>linked at:<br />
<a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ghcn-monthly/index.php?name=temperature" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ghcn-monthly/index.php?name=temperature</a><br />
for more information on GHCN V2 sources.</p>
<p>Non-US locations which are not MCDW locations are not included in the<br />
GHCN process for gathering relatively recent data.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-136559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[global warming skips Vermont

I did a quick comparison of the sites with historic data prior to 2006 at co2 science http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/data/ushcn/ushcn.jsp

and compared them to the current Giss set.


at c02 science you can look by state and record the latitudes.  If I remember correctly all the sites in vermont save one or two which show some kind of warming actually show cooling .  AT co2 science, the state of vermont has escaped all the controversy!
Then I looked over at the Giss data.  It is impossible to find most of these sites:  they have been eliminated.  But the one or two which remain are the warming ones.  One station, enosberg looks very different at Giss than at co2 science.  most troubling.

perhaps stations which were not behaving have gotten the boot]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>global warming skips Vermont</p>
<p>I did a quick comparison of the sites with historic data prior to 2006 at co2 science <a href="http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/data/ushcn/ushcn.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/data/ushcn/ushcn.jsp</a></p>
<p>and compared them to the current Giss set.</p>
<p>at c02 science you can look by state and record the latitudes.  If I remember correctly all the sites in vermont save one or two which show some kind of warming actually show cooling .  AT co2 science, the state of vermont has escaped all the controversy!<br />
Then I looked over at the Giss data.  It is impossible to find most of these sites:  they have been eliminated.  But the one or two which remain are the warming ones.  One station, enosberg looks very different at Giss than at co2 science.  most troubling.</p>
<p>perhaps stations which were not behaving have gotten the boot</p>
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		<title>By: JerryB</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/#comment-136558</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JerryB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;USHCN v2&lt;/a&gt; announcement
appears to have been updated, deleting mention of when
the data are to be made available.

&lt;strong&gt;
Steve:  &lt;/strong&gt;  Interesting. It used to say that the data would be available in July 2007.  It&#039;s hard not to think that the delays are related to their awareness that scrutiny of this release is likely to be more substantial than the prior release.  Maybe they&#039;ll even have proper documentation and technical reports accompanying the release.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/" rel="nofollow">USHCN v2</a> announcement<br />
appears to have been updated, deleting mention of when<br />
the data are to be made available.</p>
<p><strong><br />
Steve:  </strong>  Interesting. It used to say that the data would be available in July 2007.  It&#8217;s hard not to think that the delays are related to their awareness that scrutiny of this release is likely to be more substantial than the prior release.  Maybe they&#8217;ll even have proper documentation and technical reports accompanying the release.</p>
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