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By: mankoff

mankoff — Sun, 11 May 2008 20:55:59 +0000

Re #20

I’m still very interested in using the surface stations images in the Google Earth StationData (ne GISTEMP) project. My understanding was that I could not do it automatically. I’m not willing to code 8000 stations manually. If I can somehow program my Google Earth layer to access your images, I’ll do so. I’m sorry if I mis-understood you and if it can be automated. If so, and you’d like the SS images shown, feel free to contact me.

By: Dan in San Diego

Dan in San Diego — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:32:57 +0000

RE: #45 above
I am not a scientist or student. I am just a guy who has an interest in the topic (I’m a GW/AGW skeptic) and I happen to have visited Lake Cuyamaca many times in the 22 yrs I’ve lived here.

I can offer the following personal observations re: Cuyamaca -

*The lake history does not include the most devastating fire in the modern history of the area.

The 2003 Cedar fire barely missed burning the Lake campsite and adjacent businesses. Many of the camps all around the lake were burned down. Much of the area was virtually deforested.
FROM http://www.bio.sdsu.edu/Pub/franklin/landscape/index.php?n=Main.Cuyamaca

SEE:
http://map.sdsu.edu/gisdata/Anna-Fire_dist_SD_River.pdf
On the above referenced map, Lake Cuyamaca is to the southwest of the words “Anza-Borrego” The pink area is the 2003 Cedar Fire. One of the reasons we love CRSP is the cool coniferous forest, much of which is now gone.

*During our many visits or drive-bys in our 22 years here, we have noticed extreme variations in the level of the lake, including at least one period in the 1990s when it was so low that a former island which was connected to the mainland by a wooden causeway became accessible by foot path on the former lake bed.

Like I said, I’m no scientist but it seems to me that these facts might alter someone’s view of the relevancy/accuracy of temp data from this site.

By: Harry Eagar

Harry Eagar — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:02:18 +0000

California is interesting, but what’s the matter with Texas?

By: Steven Mosher

Steven Mosher — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:18:29 +0000

RE 35. RUSS I will go back and look at my files, but I recall rather vividly getting all the
lake spaudling data from USHCN ( either daily or monthly) and the patch from the start to
the mid 1920s was very odd. At the time I attributed it to a thermometer going bad over time
or a shade tree growing, and other folks here who lived in the area mentioned the dam..

I’ll see if I can go find that data.

By: Anthony Watts

Anthony Watts — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:33:11 +0000

RE48, It appears this is all he submitted, I’m not sure why

By: Murray Duffin

Murray Duffin — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:23:53 +0000

Re # 27
Erik, if you check the actual station records, there are only about 50 stations north of 63 that have records from 1935 to 2005. In only a handful of cases do you have a recent peak (2003, 2005 or 2006 depending on site) warmer than the highest year in the 1935 to 1945 decade, and there are surely more sites with a cooler recent peak year. There are more warmer coldest years in the last decade than in the reference decade, but not many. It seems possible that the 1995 to 2005 decade may have been slightly warmer than the 1935 to 1945 decade, but siting issues may have contributed. Certainly 3 of the Alaskan stations were moved from winter only snow runways to modern paved runways in the late ’90s. Your comment sounds more like dogma than the result of careful observation. You can’t go on Arctic ice extent because we have no accurate measure of Arctic ice in the late 1930s. Murray

By: Murray Duffin

Murray Duffin — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:02:53 +0000

With the exception of Lees Ferry all of these sites show a strong up trend since ca 1942. Hansen is mainly pushing AGW since early ’70s so all of these sites support his story. Seem like pretty good choices from his point of view. Murray

By: Hu McCulloch

Hu McCulloch — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:38:57 +0000

Re Cuyamaca, the Surfacestations.org photo of the East side of the screen show that it hasn't been painted or whitewashed in a long, long time. How much would this affect the temperature trend? (The site report by Wayne and Belle Holder does say that there are drip marks on the stand proving that it has at one time been painted. But it must have been a good while ago! The west side doesn't look nearly as shabby as the east side, however -- perhaps they didn't bother with the east side because visiting dignitaries were unlikely to see it? )

By: Bernie

Bernie — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:30:42 +0000

#46 Anthony:
I can’t seem to make out the actual weather station in the first photograph. Additional pictures would help me understand what might be influencing temperature readings. Also can Erik provide information on whether we are looking N/S/E/W?