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	<title>Comments on: Hansen and &quot;False Local Adjustments&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Urban Heat Island Effect &#124; Dr. Tim Ball</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-269101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Urban Heat Island Effect &#124; Dr. Tim Ball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 19:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] There are more detailed questions about the techniques used by those agencies such as the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) to adjust for the UHIE. The crux of the problem is examined here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There are more detailed questions about the techniques used by those agencies such as the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) to adjust for the UHIE. The crux of the problem is examined here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: realclimate and Disinformation on UHI &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-226495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[realclimate and Disinformation on UHI &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] GISS ROW Adjustments  Last year, I reviewed GISS adjustments outside the US in a series of posts. These adjustments are pig&#8217;s breakfast. In many cases, GISS makes UHI adjustments the &#8220;wrong&#8221; way&#8221; i.e. their adjustments presume a UHI cooling effect. These goofy results are mentioned passim by Hansen as &#8220;false local adjustments&#8221;. At the end of the day, there is no evidence that Hansen&#8217;s &#8220;UHI&#8221; adjustments outside the U.S. even begin to deal with the problem. Posts were here here here here here here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] GISS ROW Adjustments  Last year, I reviewed GISS adjustments outside the US in a series of posts. These adjustments are pig&#8217;s breakfast. In many cases, GISS makes UHI adjustments the &#8220;wrong&#8221; way&#8221; i.e. their adjustments presume a UHI cooling effect. These goofy results are mentioned passim by Hansen as &#8220;false local adjustments&#8221;. At the end of the day, there is no evidence that Hansen&#8217;s &#8220;UHI&#8221; adjustments outside the U.S. even begin to deal with the problem. Posts were here here here here here here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-139801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. I think they downgraded their numbers in the final report.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. I think they downgraded their numbers in the final report.</p>
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		<title>By: James Erlandson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-139800</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Erlandson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew: The draft assessment referenced in the NYT article uses the IPCC projection of a sea level increase between 0.18m and 0.59m. Michael Jankowski &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2826#comment-220256&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commented above&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;I&#039;ve seen where clearance requirements for new bridges over some waterways have been increased up to 1m in anticipation of future sea level rises due to AGW.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew: The draft assessment referenced in the NYT article uses the IPCC projection of a sea level increase between 0.18m and 0.59m. Michael Jankowski <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2826#comment-220256" rel="nofollow">commented above</a>, &#8220;I&#8217;ve seen where clearance requirements for new bridges over some waterways have been increased up to 1m in anticipation of future sea level rises due to AGW.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-139799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James Erlandson, where do you get that &quot;two or three feet&quot; from?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Erlandson, where do you get that &#8220;two or three feet&#8221; from?</p>
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		<title>By: James Erlandson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-139798</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Erlandson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lucia: You&#039;re right. But if you look at pictures of New York and other harbors from 100 years ago you&#039;ll notice that things have changed. Nothing from that time remains. Everything has rotted, burned or simply outlived its economic life and been replaced. And over the next 100 years the process will continue -- just two or three feet higher. The marginal cost of that two or three feet will be vanishingly small. Not headline material.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lucia: You&#8217;re right. But if you look at pictures of New York and other harbors from 100 years ago you&#8217;ll notice that things have changed. Nothing from that time remains. Everything has rotted, burned or simply outlived its economic life and been replaced. And over the next 100 years the process will continue &#8212; just two or three feet higher. The marginal cost of that two or three feet will be vanishingly small. Not headline material.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-139797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still, a sea level rise measured in inches (unless you believe Hansen, or, less extreme, Rhamstorf) hardly threatens infrastructure. I am bothered that the excuse for scare stories is that they don&#039;t seem to do any obvious harm and some times have positive results. But oh well, if people want to do live that way...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, a sea level rise measured in inches (unless you believe Hansen, or, less extreme, Rhamstorf) hardly threatens infrastructure. I am bothered that the excuse for scare stories is that they don&#8217;t seem to do any obvious harm and some times have positive results. But oh well, if people want to do live that way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-139796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lucia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James,
Quite honestly, looking at infrastructures is probably a good thing regardless. It&#039;s often difficult to justify the expense to the public. So, in this case, I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;in favor&lt;/i&gt; of surveying roads and moving things that are vulnerable. In most cases, they&#039;ll end up moving or shoring up things that were built too close to the water in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
Quite honestly, looking at infrastructures is probably a good thing regardless. It&#8217;s often difficult to justify the expense to the public. So, in this case, I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m <i>in favor</i> of surveying roads and moving things that are vulnerable. In most cases, they&#8217;ll end up moving or shoring up things that were built too close to the water in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: James Erlandson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-139795</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Erlandson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lucia and others re: Bridges
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/science/12coast.html?_r=2&amp;ref=science&amp;%23038;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Government Reports Warn Planners on Sea-Rise Threat to U.S. Coasts&lt;/a&gt; (New York Times)

&lt;blockquote&gt;A rise in sea levels and other changes fueled by global warming threaten roads, rail lines, ports, airports and other important infrastructure, and policy makers and planners should be acting now to avoid or mitigate their effects, according to new government reports.
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Noting that 60,000 miles of coastal highways are already subject to periodic flooding, the academy panel called for policy makers to survey vulnerable areas — “roads, bridges, marine, air, pipelines, everything,” Dr. Schwartz said — and begin work now on plans to protect, reinforce, move or replace on safer ground. Those tasks will take years or decades and tens of billions of dollars, at least, he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lucia and others re: Bridges<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/science/12coast.html?_r=2&amp;ref=science&amp;%23038;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">Government Reports Warn Planners on Sea-Rise Threat to U.S. Coasts</a> (New York Times)</p>
<blockquote><p>A rise in sea levels and other changes fueled by global warming threaten roads, rail lines, ports, airports and other important infrastructure, and policy makers and planners should be acting now to avoid or mitigate their effects, according to new government reports.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Noting that 60,000 miles of coastal highways are already subject to periodic flooding, the academy panel called for policy makers to survey vulnerable areas — “roads, bridges, marine, air, pipelines, everything,” Dr. Schwartz said — and begin work now on plans to protect, reinforce, move or replace on safer ground. Those tasks will take years or decades and tens of billions of dollars, at least, he said.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/03/01/hansen-and-false-local-adjustments/#comment-139794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ellis,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I do not know if it makes a difference , but it would seem to me if a lions&#039; share of the negative adjustments were made at the beginning of the temperature record and most of the positive adjustments at the later part of the record, could not a spurious trend result?&lt;/blockquote&gt;




..and then Brohan plots a histogram of applied adjustments and fits a Gaussian distribution to it, obtaining &quot;hypothesised distribution of the adjustments required&quot;. The difference is then fitted to new Gaussian distribution, and &quot;So the homogenisation adjustment uncertainty for any station is a random value taken from a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 0.4 C&quot;. Time is not taken into account, and this 0.4 C, of course, disappears almost completely as we have so many stations. I don&#039;t know how Hansen computes the homogenization adjustment uncertainty, hopefully it is something different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellis,</p>
<blockquote><p>I do not know if it makes a difference , but it would seem to me if a lions&#8217; share of the negative adjustments were made at the beginning of the temperature record and most of the positive adjustments at the later part of the record, could not a spurious trend result?</p></blockquote>
<p>..and then Brohan plots a histogram of applied adjustments and fits a Gaussian distribution to it, obtaining &#8220;hypothesised distribution of the adjustments required&#8221;. The difference is then fitted to new Gaussian distribution, and &#8220;So the homogenisation adjustment uncertainty for any station is a random value taken from a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 0.4 C&#8221;. Time is not taken into account, and this 0.4 C, of course, disappears almost completely as we have so many stations. I don&#8217;t know how Hansen computes the homogenization adjustment uncertainty, hopefully it is something different.</p>
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