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		<title>By: Gerald Machnee</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Machnee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On December 11, 2008 the online and print issues of Nature issued a retraction for a study which had been published in a January 2006 edition. Was this due to a lack of proper &quot;peer review&quot;?
Several articles on this appeared in western Canada newspapers between Dec 3 and Dec 11.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A groundbreaking study published by University of Manitoba scientists will be retracted from the high-profile science journal Nature in December due to concerns the research isn&#039;t valid.

University of Manitoba officials admitted they haven&#039;t ruled out the possibility that fraudulent data could be at the centre of the academic controversy.

Plant science researchers Fawzi Razem and Ashraf El-Kereamy, led by Robert Hill, discovered a receptor for the major hormone linked to a plant&#039;s response to environmental stress. The receptor eluded scientists for two decades and was published and featured in the editor&#039;s summary in the January 2006 edition of Nature, one of the world&#039;s most renowned international science journals.

Peter McVetty, head of the university&#039;s plant science department, said concerns about the data emerged mid-summer when a team of researchers from New Zealand tried to replicate the study&#039;s findings and couldn&#039;t.

Hill confirmed he wrote the retraction letter that will appear in Nature this month, but said what went wrong is a &quot;confidential matter.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On December 11, 2008 the online and print issues of Nature issued a retraction for a study which had been published in a January 2006 edition. Was this due to a lack of proper &#8220;peer review&#8221;?<br />
Several articles on this appeared in western Canada newspapers between Dec 3 and Dec 11.</p>
<blockquote><p>A groundbreaking study published by University of Manitoba scientists will be retracted from the high-profile science journal Nature in December due to concerns the research isn&#8217;t valid.</p>
<p>University of Manitoba officials admitted they haven&#8217;t ruled out the possibility that fraudulent data could be at the centre of the academic controversy.</p>
<p>Plant science researchers Fawzi Razem and Ashraf El-Kereamy, led by Robert Hill, discovered a receptor for the major hormone linked to a plant&#8217;s response to environmental stress. The receptor eluded scientists for two decades and was published and featured in the editor&#8217;s summary in the January 2006 edition of Nature, one of the world&#8217;s most renowned international science journals.</p>
<p>Peter McVetty, head of the university&#8217;s plant science department, said concerns about the data emerged mid-summer when a team of researchers from New Zealand tried to replicate the study&#8217;s findings and couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Hill confirmed he wrote the retraction letter that will appear in Nature this month, but said what went wrong is a &#8220;confidential matter.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ian Castles</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Castles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, Are you still awaiting Caspar Ammann&#039;s response to your letter sent some days before 11 April, to which he promised an answer &#039;in a few days&#039;?

&lt;strong&gt;Steve:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes. I sent him a reminder without acknowledgement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Are you still awaiting Caspar Ammann&#8217;s response to your letter sent some days before 11 April, to which he promised an answer &#8216;in a few days&#8217;?</p>
<p><strong>Steve:</strong> Yes. I sent him a reminder without acknowledgement.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #83
Should be:

no, I don&#039;t assume that the SI is the subject of the comment either.

my fingers are obviously too fat for texting on my ipod!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #83<br />
Should be:</p>
<p>no, I don&#8217;t assume that the SI is the subject of the comment either.</p>
<p>my fingers are obviously too fat for texting on my ipod!</p>
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		<title>By: phil.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no, I don&#039;t assume that the so is the subject of the comment either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, I don&#8217;t assume that the so is the subject of the comment either.</p>
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		<title>By: Glacierman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glacierman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you recieved a response to your two requests for SI, or a reference to Ammann that he said would be in a couple of days?  It has been nearly two weeks now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you recieved a response to your two requests for SI, or a reference to Ammann that he said would be in a couple of days?  It has been nearly two weeks now.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#80. Is it your surmise that the SI was available to reviewers when they considered the article? If it was, then where is it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#80. Is it your surmise that the SI was available to reviewers when they considered the article? If it was, then where is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144772</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #79

&lt;blockquote&gt;If it&#039;s under revision right now, what does that say about the SI availability as at the time of acceptance and publication?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nothing really until we see what the revisions are, for all we know they&#039;re only going to add some pictures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #79</p>
<blockquote><p>If it&#8217;s under revision right now, what does that say about the SI availability as at the time of acceptance and publication?</p></blockquote>
<p>Nothing really until we see what the revisions are, for all we know they&#8217;re only going to add some pictures.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ammann&#039;s webpage http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/MBH_reevaluation.html now says in bold red letters &quot;UNDER REVISION&quot; - something that it did not say when I made this post or when I took a screenshot. It also continues to say &quot;Last modified: Sat Mar 25 13:55:00 MDT 2006&quot;, even though it was modified this week to insert the &quot;UNDER REVISION&quot; banner.

If it&#039;s under revision right now, what does that say about the SI availability as at the time of acceptance and publication?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ammann&#8217;s webpage <a href="http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/MBH_reevaluation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/MBH_reevaluation.html</a> now says in bold red letters &#8220;UNDER REVISION&#8221; &#8211; something that it did not say when I made this post or when I took a screenshot. It also continues to say &#8220;Last modified: Sat Mar 25 13:55:00 MDT 2006&#8243;, even though it was modified this week to insert the &#8220;UNDER REVISION&#8221; banner.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s under revision right now, what does that say about the SI availability as at the time of acceptance and publication?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gray</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consensi (consensuses?) come and consensi go


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08tier.html?_r=1&amp;ex=1365307200&amp;en=dc270baec0c66ed7&amp;ei=5090&amp;oref=slogin

Th link above points to a New York Times story in which a famous and influential psychology experiment from the 1950s has been shown to have resulted from mistaken mathematics.

I think that this shows that peer review is not just review prior to publication but continues with the examination of reported research by other researchers. In other words, the auditing performed by Steve McIntyre is an essential aspect of peer review. And the assertion by Peter Webster above that his results will await the process of peer review before publication does not contain the full process of peer review. When a result is published, peer review has only just begun and as the New York Times story reveals even a result presented in textbooks may be invalidated 50 years after it is reported.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consensi (consensuses?) come and consensi go</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08tier.html?_r=1&#038;ex=1365307200&#038;en=dc270baec0c66ed7&#038;ei=5090&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08tier.html?_r=1&#038;ex=1365307200&#038;en=dc270baec0c66ed7&#038;ei=5090&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>Th link above points to a New York Times story in which a famous and influential psychology experiment from the 1950s has been shown to have resulted from mistaken mathematics.</p>
<p>I think that this shows that peer review is not just review prior to publication but continues with the examination of reported research by other researchers. In other words, the auditing performed by Steve McIntyre is an essential aspect of peer review. And the assertion by Peter Webster above that his results will await the process of peer review before publication does not contain the full process of peer review. When a result is published, peer review has only just begun and as the New York Times story reveals even a result presented in textbooks may be invalidated 50 years after it is reported.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Palmer</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/11/supplementary-information-and-flaccid-peer-reviewing/#comment-144769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan Palmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re 76

Thinking about it some more, a better possibility is the &quot;duty to disclose&quot;. It is required of any inventor to disclose to the patent office any fact that is pertinent to the validity of his/her patent. So if this reviewer had seen a published paper that contradicted some of the observations in his/her patent then he/she would have to disclose these to the patent examiner. Anything else would be considered a fraud on the patent office and a failure to disclose would render the patent invalid.  Prior art is not an issue here just the requirement to disclose all facts whether they are adverse or not. These facts could come to light after the submission date.

I&#039;m not a lawyer but this does seem to be a very tricky point. If a reviewer sees pertinent information in a confidential reviewing process, what should he/she do? I know that a paper submitted for review is not a public disclosure. Public disclosure comes on the date of publication or presentation at a conference.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 76</p>
<p>Thinking about it some more, a better possibility is the &#8220;duty to disclose&#8221;. It is required of any inventor to disclose to the patent office any fact that is pertinent to the validity of his/her patent. So if this reviewer had seen a published paper that contradicted some of the observations in his/her patent then he/she would have to disclose these to the patent examiner. Anything else would be considered a fraud on the patent office and a failure to disclose would render the patent invalid.  Prior art is not an issue here just the requirement to disclose all facts whether they are adverse or not. These facts could come to light after the submission date.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer but this does seem to be a very tricky point. If a reviewer sees pertinent information in a confidential reviewing process, what should he/she do? I know that a paper submitted for review is not a public disclosure. Public disclosure comes on the date of publication or presentation at a conference.<br />
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