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	<title>Comments on: Nature &quot;Discovers&quot; Another Climate Audit Finding</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: The Team and Pearl Harbor &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-298079</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Team and Pearl Harbor &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8211; May 2008): see current discussion here and Dec 2007 post [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; May 2008): see current discussion here and Dec 2007 post [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More Misrepresentations from RealClimate &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-297979</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More Misrepresentations from RealClimate &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the CA post, I referred to the discussions the previous year and showed the illustration under &#8220;Carl [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the CA post, I referred to the discussions the previous year and showed the illustration under &#8220;Carl [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PledgeToLiveGreen.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Revisiting historical ocean surface temperatures</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-297970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PledgeToLiveGreen.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Revisiting historical ocean surface temperatures]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] main IPCC finding on attribution to, well, not very much. While wiser heads counselled patience, Steve McIntyre predicted that the 1950 to 2000 global temperature trends would be reduced by half while Roger [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] main IPCC finding on attribution to, well, not very much. While wiser heads counselled patience, Steve McIntyre predicted that the 1950 to 2000 global temperature trends would be reduced by half while Roger [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Evidence for &#8220;Unprecedented Warming&#8221;? &#171; the Air Vent</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-252678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What Evidence for &#8220;Unprecedented Warming&#8221;? &#171; the Air Vent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] blog has been a terrific stimulus to zillions of its readers, including me. Back in May 2008, Steve posted on Nature’s “discovery” of the bucket-adjustment discontinuity in the Sea Surface Temperature [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog has been a terrific stimulus to zillions of its readers, including me. Back in May 2008, Steve posted on Nature’s “discovery” of the bucket-adjustment discontinuity in the Sea Surface Temperature [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thefordprefect</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-149287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefordprefect]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bucket problem has been researched since at least 1995!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alleged CRU Email - 1212276269.txt

of data switched from European fleets to almost exclusively US fleets (and
who tended to use engine inlet temperatures rather than canvas buckets).
This offset was large and dramatic and was identified more than ten years
ago from comparisons of simultaneous measurements of night-time marine air
temperatures (NMAT) which did not show such a shift. The experimentally
based adjustment to account for the canvas bucket cooling brought the sea
surface temperatures much more into line with the NMAT series (Folland and
Parker, 1995). (Note that this reduced the 20th Century trends in SST).

More recent work (for instance, at this workshop in 2005), has focussed on
refining the estimates and incorporating new sources of data. For
instance, the 1941 shift in the original corrections, was reduced and
pushed back to 1939 with the addition of substantial and dominant amounts
of US Merchant Marine data (which mostly used engine inlets temperatures).

The version of the data that is currently used in most temperature
reconstructions is based on the work of Rayner and colleagues (reported in
2006). In their discussion of remaining issues they state:

Using metadata in the ICOADS it is possible to compare the
contributions made by different countries to the marine component of the
global temperature curve. Different countries give different advice to
their observing fleets concerning how best to measure SST. Breaking the
data up into separate countries&#039; contributions shows that the assumption]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bucket problem has been researched since at least 1995!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
Alleged CRU Email &#8211; 1212276269.txt</p>
<p>of data switched from European fleets to almost exclusively US fleets (and<br />
who tended to use engine inlet temperatures rather than canvas buckets).<br />
This offset was large and dramatic and was identified more than ten years<br />
ago from comparisons of simultaneous measurements of night-time marine air<br />
temperatures (NMAT) which did not show such a shift. The experimentally<br />
based adjustment to account for the canvas bucket cooling brought the sea<br />
surface temperatures much more into line with the NMAT series (Folland and<br />
Parker, 1995). (Note that this reduced the 20th Century trends in SST).</p>
<p>More recent work (for instance, at this workshop in 2005), has focussed on<br />
refining the estimates and incorporating new sources of data. For<br />
instance, the 1941 shift in the original corrections, was reduced and<br />
pushed back to 1939 with the addition of substantial and dominant amounts<br />
of US Merchant Marine data (which mostly used engine inlets temperatures).</p>
<p>The version of the data that is currently used in most temperature<br />
reconstructions is based on the work of Rayner and colleagues (reported in<br />
2006). In their discussion of remaining issues they state:</p>
<p>Using metadata in the ICOADS it is possible to compare the<br />
contributions made by different countries to the marine component of the<br />
global temperature curve. Different countries give different advice to<br />
their observing fleets concerning how best to measure SST. Breaking the<br />
data up into separate countries&#8217; contributions shows that the assumption</p>
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		<title>By: anned</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-149286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand what ships used the bucket SST.
all the ship i was on in the US navy just did intake temps.1970-4
These were hourly on all engine cooling water intakes.
for the minesweeper i was on there were 7 cooling water intakes for the 4 main engines and 3 electrical generators.
None were calibrated and none were taken very well.
These went on a engine room report and was turned in daily.
The officer that did the daily the metdata report would have just picked the
intake temps and used them on the metadata report as daily or hourly.

The draft of the sweep i was on was about 5 foot so it was near surface temps.

I wonder how many reading the researchers thought were bucket were really intake reading.
Did these ships note on there reports that there reading were bucket or intake.
Or are these researcher just believe them to be bucket because they were told (By someone that was not there and did not know how the reading were taken) that they were all bucket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what ships used the bucket SST.<br />
all the ship i was on in the US navy just did intake temps.1970-4<br />
These were hourly on all engine cooling water intakes.<br />
for the minesweeper i was on there were 7 cooling water intakes for the 4 main engines and 3 electrical generators.<br />
None were calibrated and none were taken very well.<br />
These went on a engine room report and was turned in daily.<br />
The officer that did the daily the metdata report would have just picked the<br />
intake temps and used them on the metadata report as daily or hourly.</p>
<p>The draft of the sweep i was on was about 5 foot so it was near surface temps.</p>
<p>I wonder how many reading the researchers thought were bucket were really intake reading.<br />
Did these ships note on there reports that there reading were bucket or intake.<br />
Or are these researcher just believe them to be bucket because they were told (By someone that was not there and did not know how the reading were taken) that they were all bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-149285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course the Team reads CA - how else will they learn about the mistakes in the papers their hand-selected peer-reviewers missed?

How many Corregendums have been fueled by errors uncovered by CA?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the Team reads CA &#8211; how else will they learn about the mistakes in the papers their hand-selected peer-reviewers missed?</p>
<p>How many Corregendums have been fueled by errors uncovered by CA?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jankowski</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-149284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jankowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It just goes to show they&#039;ve got their finger on the pulse at CA.  Steve posts, and Phil and Mann are on it within a day.  It&#039;s just like Gavin and the &quot;Mystery Man.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just goes to show they&#8217;ve got their finger on the pulse at CA.  Steve posts, and Phil and Mann are on it within a day.  It&#8217;s just like Gavin and the &#8220;Mystery Man.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-149283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Team comments on this page are apparently in one of the CRU emails &lt;a href=&quot;http://di2.nu/foia/1212063122.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1212063122.txt&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
From: Michael Mann
To: Phil Jones
Subject: Re: IPCC &amp; FOI
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:12:02 -0400
Reply-to: mann@xxxx

Hi Phil,

laughable that CA would claim to have discovered the problem. They would
have run off to the Wall Street Journal for an exclusive were that to
have been true.

I&#039;ll contact Gene about this ASAP. His new email is: generwahl@xxxx

talk to you later,

mike

Phil Jones wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;      Mike,
&gt;            Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?
&gt;  Keith will do likewise. He&#039;s not in at the moment - minor family crisis.
&gt;
&gt;      Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same?  I don&#039;t
&gt;  have his new email address.
&gt;
&gt;      We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
&gt;
&gt;  I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature
&gt; paper!!
&gt;
&gt;  Cheers
&gt;  Phil
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Prof. Phil Jones
&gt; Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 xxxxxx
&gt; School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 xxxxxx
&gt; University of East Anglia
&gt; Norwich                          Email    p.jones@xxxx
&gt; NR4 7TJ
&gt; UK
&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
&gt;


--
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) xxx-xxxx
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) xxx-xxxx
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  mann@xxxx
University Park, PA 16802-5013

http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course there are other unrelated phrases of interest in the exchange.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Team comments on this page are apparently in one of the CRU emails <a href="http://di2.nu/foia/1212063122.txt" rel="nofollow">1212063122.txt</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
From: Michael Mann<br />
To: Phil Jones<br />
Subject: Re: IPCC &amp; FOI<br />
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:12:02 -0400<br />
Reply-to: mann@xxxx</p>
<p>Hi Phil,</p>
<p>laughable that CA would claim to have discovered the problem. They would<br />
have run off to the Wall Street Journal for an exclusive were that to<br />
have been true.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll contact Gene about this ASAP. His new email is: generwahl@xxxx</p>
<p>talk to you later,</p>
<p>mike</p>
<p>Phil Jones wrote:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;      Mike,<br />
&gt;            Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?<br />
&gt;  Keith will do likewise. He&#8217;s not in at the moment &#8211; minor family crisis.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;      Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same?  I don&#8217;t<br />
&gt;  have his new email address.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;      We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;  I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature<br />
&gt; paper!!<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;  Cheers<br />
&gt;  Phil<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Prof. Phil Jones<br />
&gt; Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 xxxxxx<br />
&gt; School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 xxxxxx<br />
&gt; University of East Anglia<br />
&gt; Norwich                          Email    p.jones@xxxx<br />
&gt; NR4 7TJ<br />
&gt; UK<br />
&gt; &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
&gt;</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Michael E. Mann<br />
Associate Professor<br />
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)</p>
<p>Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) xxx-xxxx<br />
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) xxx-xxxx<br />
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  mann@xxxx<br />
University Park, PA 16802-5013</p>
<p><a href="http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm</a>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course there are other unrelated phrases of interest in the exchange.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/05/28/nature-discovers-another-climate-audit-finding/#comment-149282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re 148, sweater mode, threads get unwound sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 148, sweater mode, threads get unwound sometimes.</p>
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