Update [06/19] CBSnews.com and other outlets have dropped the story from their Science headlines and have erased it. Nevertheless, we need to keep an eye on additional contributions from this influential researcher.
It appears the Associated Press needs to do some explaining or at the very least some vetting of its science reporting. Yet, it is a metaphysical certitude, no pun intended, that the story will be parroted regardless of its veracity.
There have been some attempts to link climate change to earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and other various geophysical phenomena. However considerable uncertainty surrounds potential mechanisms for such linkages as well as whether we can actually perceive or measure such changes. Recently, an obscure online journal publication (NU Journal of Discovery) article has made it into the press through a release by the author Tom Chalko, an Australian geophysicist. Here is a link to the 2-page published article: Chalko (2008) NU Journal of Discovery
The main finding is that earthquakes have become FIVE times more energetic over the past 20 years, a stunning discovery to say the least. A few hyperbolic statements from the press release:
The research proves that destructive ability of earthquakes on Earth increases alarmingly fast and that this trend is set to continue, unless the problem of “global warming” is comprehensively and urgently addressed…global seismic activity was increasing faster than any other global warming indicator on Earth and that this increase is extremely alarming
The pertinent figure describing the “alarming” trend shows the annual earthquake ratio, which is described in the paper. Also, the trend is predicted to grow in the future. A simple perusal of the USGS website would easily expose this paper as a complete pile of rubbish: Common Myths about Earthquakes h/t Jeremy Horpedahl
Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant throughout this century and, according to our records, have actually seemed to decrease in recent years…A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications.
Continuing from the paper:
Results presented in this article indicate that the main danger for humanity on Earth may come not from a slow climate change, but from the rapidly increasing seismic/tectonic activity. In the period of time when the planetary
climate changed by a small fraction of one degree, earthquakes have become 5 times more energetic. How long do we need to wait until someone brings this problem to our awareness?
I have no answer to that question. Thankfully, Chalko provides us with one reference and a hypothesis for this increased tectonic and volcanic activity. NASA researchers (Hansen et al. 2005, Science) state that the Earth absorbs approximately 0.85 +- 0.15 Megawatts per square kilometer more than it emits, an imbalance that is causing the Earth to overheat.
Planetary interior overheating is the most serious consequence of so-called “global warming” and constitutes the main danger for humanity on Earth today.
I am unsure about the peer-review standards of this journal, but my guess is that it is a bit “shaky”. A simple Google search of the author leads one on a metaphysical search for understanding one’s consciousness.
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Is this April 1st, must be. Earth quakes correlate better to the solar Hale cycle than to temperature. Nice cherry picking from the 1970’s and leave out all of those big quakes from the 50’s and 60’s like Alaska and Chile’.
This is the top article in SciTech on CBSnews.com as well as on MSNBC.com, which originate from an Associated Press piece. A related paper about Whether the Earth Will Explode because of Global Warming is also very enlightening.
LOL, Then it should have blown up during the Holocene Optima or the Roman Optima and maybe the Med-evil Optima. All of those times where warmer than now and the Holocene period was much warmer. There are also correlations to the planetary alignments too. Leif Svalgaard said with enough cycles something is bound to match. The reason the earths surface is getting warmer, maybe the first few feet but I believe after about 10 feet the temperature has very little variation. But I could be wrong and we are all dead on 2012.;)
I couldn’t paste the graphic from
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/other/quake1.html
Look for:
Relative annual energy release from earthquakes, magnitude 6 or greater, 1900-2008
Acc to this graph we’re below the 1900-1920 level.
Regards,
Bill Drissel
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Ok Bill #4
Compare that to TSI and now that will get you thinking. Remember that the Sun and Moon both create gravitational pulls on the earth and the sun’s magnetic field extends past the outer planets during maximum. Now if you want a scary correlation compare your graph to large CME events and flares.
Well, it’s on the Drudge Report too, so now everyone will be reading it. How long before our various elected officials start quoting this paper as well as reasons to do something immediately before impending doom.
ryanm…Matt spiked the story to the trashcan…
I followed a hunch and found this correlation:
Hmmm…
*applause*
Another Jor-El wannabe.
Can little green men, Earth Changes, rods and grays, and the second great harmonic convergence be far behind?
I wonder if the author is this Dr Tom Chalko:
Dr Chalko has a background in aura research and Thiaoouba prophecy so I’m surprised Nature or Science did not publish his AGW work.
I wonder if he does hurricane/AGW research, too.
And we have this from 2001:
Link
Looks like we’re gonna blow up.
What’s up with the crazy looking shirts?
From Chalko (2003): Can a Neutron Bomb accelerate Global Volcanic Activity? (Online journal of Coast to Coast AM)
This guy’s a hoot.
http://bioresonant.com/staff.html?PHPSESSID=6e404c87c0191392f96d30c3ff64e5aa
Looks like Tom and Tom are the same. I see he’s on the editorial board of the publisher NU Journal of Discovery.
Oh. My. God…
Oh.. you guys haven’t even found the best stuff:
1) Research plan 2001-2005
Tom J. Chalko, MEngSc, DrEngSc
Main research topic: Development of the Theory of Gravity
Research outcome: Book/monograph “The Nature of Gravity”
Research requirements: stable employment and time to think.
The proposal includes this:
2) For some reason, he converted a chest freezer into a refrigerator (and publicized this.)
3) I think he is somehow associated with a book on extra terrestrials. See also Thiaoouba.com
This guy definitely believes in a lot of things. AGW is appears to be one of them. Of course… he thinks it will make the earth explode!
It possible that Tom Chalko’s t-shirts are what put the “A” in alarmist!
I think I’m going to start a peer reviewed journal. Apparently it is not hard to do.
I met Mosh and Mac. Guys, don’t you think I would look fly in this:
http://bioresonant.com/dress.html
Maybe These results from earlier earthquke energies need to be adjusted.
Clearly the rural cooling island effect and higher windspeeds associated with these have resulted in energies which cannot be recorded.
In fact computer models show conclusively that these effects will inevitably occur with a net increaee in earthquake energy of 1000MW by 2050
He writes about alien abductions and the difficulty of distinguishing between those who truly went aboard an alien saucer and those who simply have over-active imaginations. I understand.
He also writes on how to identify the space aliens among us. I plan to use his techniques this weekend, at my wife’s family reunion. I’ve long suspected that at least a third of her family is not from Earth.
Here we are in 2051
Forget earthquates … Earth is gonna ‘splode!
#22. David, perhaps you could check whether your in-laws have their amygdulas connected to their neocortex. A note from an earlier post:
It is easy to laugh, but not easy to stop the media from latching on to a good scary story that confirms their fears. This can catch the imagination in earthquake prone regions, as Greece is, ( yesterday I woke up by a 5.7 90 km away) and the politicians are not far behind 😦 . Makes wake up calls more difficult.
It all hinges on the AGW science crowd, whether they will accept any help before inevitable doom or not.
Actually if the data interpretation were true, since the second plot shown here shows cherry picking, one could turn the argument around and say “global warming is due to geothermal heating that is inparallel creating all these earthquakes and not CO2”. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Has anybody been measuring ground temperatures vs depth?
If you ever needed confirmation as to the social driver for the AGW crowd this dude and his mindless ramblings are it.
Malthusian Marxist Hippie drivel.
As an Aussie I would like to apologise on behalf of all rational, thinking Aussies, for this idiot and those who print the results of his illness.
Please treat us gently, we have to bear his cross as well as our own
regards.
If the technique seems to work and you want to sway a few aliens for a few squirrels from my family, let me know. I might be interested.
swap not sway
Science is a lot easier when you can use imagination instead of research – you can get a lot more books written. I just wonder whether this guy is actually teaching engineering or is there at the university for comic relief.
Aviator 30
For over twenty years in my research institute we covered for a severely delusional colleague, so that he and his old mama would not be left on the street. He was schizophrenic and had funny theories as well as persecution delusions. ( His mama died, and he had to be institutionalized).
This fellow does not seem to be bad, but I could see colleagues giving large allowances for social reasons.
As a fellow Aussie, I feel I should defend this lad. He at least appears to be running on his own steam. In contrast just this morning, a furry animal organisation and our national broadcaster are forecasting the demise of the whale using a projection based on a 2 degree rise in ocean temperature.
These forecasts of gloom and doom are constant from our ABC. The average Aussie should feel a little “edgy” especially a lone chap within a university, with lttle or no contact with reality.
There is another chap in a little university in the state of Queensland who believes he helped fix the hole in the ozone layer, even stranger still he is currently promoting himself (announcing his presence at luxury resort gigs as a leading environmentalist) or is being touted (loves playing cricket with the chaps, flying to England for a knock at Lords) as the future Australian of the Year. Funny how these “team” guys love to hand out gongs to each other.
I find I need to, in the face of such mind boggling crap, log on to climateaudit each day to re-assure myself the world has not gone nuts.
I didn’t even bother looking in on whether or not earthquakes increased or decreased in intensity as Chalko claims, but, as a grad student in physics, I was very suspicious of not only his science, but of the journal he “published” his article in. It turns out that he’s the only author to ever publish in that journal (according to the journal’s website, as far as I can tell by a quick scan), AND he’s one of the editors. The journal is published by a fake university. Chalko himself works for his own “company”, and as you pointed out, works on some pretty non-scientific topics.
Check out my blog post about it here for more information on what I dug up.
Someone here, I don’t care who, owes me a new monitor and keyboard!
Well, Nature appears to be only a little above these guys with their new publication:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/06/18/ocean-warming.html?dcitc=w01-101-ae-0001
Can’t wait to hear how they managed to re-measure the ocean temps down to 700 meters back to 1963!! Maybe they stole a march on the ‘sonde guys and used currents??
kuhnkat said:
Good one! Maybe they used hurricane PDI as a proxy?
Do you wish me to compare and contrast parts of this paper with some of the best of Gore? (says he, defensively, being Australian).
David Smith #22:
David, I now believe we are related by marriage. Hello, long lost cousin in-law.
Hoi Polloi
You jest with your post but have you noticed that temperatures have got colder in the last few years just as piracy has increased? There are loads of pirates off the coast of Somalia and in South-East Asia now, far more than the 17 in 2000. We must be back to 1980 levels by now.
One more proof of global warming:
Another proof of global warming, based on soccer, is here:
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2008/03/conclusive-proof-of-global-warming.html
Re #36:
They didn’t remeasure them. They have CALCULATED them. What they say is basically this: “if the temperatures down to 700 hundred meters had changed according to my calculations and not IPCCs, the sea level would have changed in the measured way, therefore, my calculations must be better than IPCCs”. It is similar to what is done to validate climate models: because the observed surface temperature changes agree (more or less) with backwards predictions of the models, the models predictions for the future must be right. Anyone with a scientific thinking should reject this kind of reasoning, but on the other hand, anyone with a scientific career to care about should follow the current…
I have discovered that by carefully analysing earthquake records I can by using a top secret inverse Mannian regression, robustly reconstruct the temperature in Sheep Mountain for the last 1000 years, to within 0.1 degree. Further, based on Monte Carlo type runs with various Peer Reviewed Models derived from Earthquake Records using my “Road Runner” beep beep technique, I can now narrow the uncertainty in the IPCC forecast of temperature for the next 200 years, with 99% certainty. Offers of funding should be directed to: NASA GISS, Bottomless Pit, Cloud CuckooLand.
AP, CBS, MSBN all got suckered by this (Drudge too, to a lesser degree). It literally took two minutes of work on Google to find Chalko’s paper “No second chance:Can Earth explode as a result of Global Warming?” Which really, really should have set off some alarm bells.
Worst science reporting I’ve come across in awhile.
Re #36 & #43,
Interesting spin in the press release from LLNL
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-06/dlnl-ota061808.php#
Headline is “Ocean temperatures and sea level increases 50 percent higher than previously estimated.”, which is technically what the paper says the model showed, but they completely fail to mention that the model also indicated that estimates were about “40 percent smaller for 1993 – 2003” than earlier estimates for that period.
I’m speakless.
Bill#4, just wait until Hansen gets ahold of that data…
A statement near the bottom needs correction: ‘the Earth absorbs approximately 0.85 +- 0.15 Megawatts “more thermal energy” per square kilometer than…’
I cannot comment upon the scientific veracity of the statement, but for good and clear English, the word ‘more’ needs to be added.
An article from May 2001 by the same person suggests that global warming will cause the earth to explode. From this same article he indicates that the asteroid belt was formed by a planet exploding, which the Ancient Greeks witnessed. His brand of science also uses this same theory to explain ice ages ~ planet interior gets too hot resulting in massive volcanic eruptions, blocking sunlight, resulting in an ice age which then helps the interior cool, thus preventing a planetary explosion.
This article as well as last month’s most recent article on earthquakes can be found, in pdf form, at
You can read these to your heart’s content. As for me, my eyes hurt from all their rolling.
Looks like we may have found Yahoo Serious’s secret identity.
I seem to recall some kind of evidence that warming has pretty much stopped for the last 10 years. Perhaps even fallen a tad.
How does that impact this “correlation” over the last 20 years.
Maybe the Chalko paper can be cross-published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. Rabbet thinks it is a “source for denialists and denial” (whatever that is). However, he notes that the governing organization states one of it’s distinguishing characteristics is:
Having looked at a couple papers published by the organization, it is clear Chalko’s innovative AGW theories would fit right in – I’m not Joshing!!
CBS, MSNBC, AP, and Drudge all got conned by this. Two minutes with Google would have found any fact-checker that bothered to look “No second chance?Can Earth explode as a result of Global Warming?” which presumably have set off a few alarm bells.
Worse bit of science reporting I’ve read in awhile.
Looks like Anthony Watts needs to get photographing seismographic stations. 😉
Worst science reporting on global warming since… all the other science reporting on global warming.
It’s fun to pile on about this particular fiasco, but in the end it only differs in degree, not in kind, from what we have grown used to. Years of credulous repetition of increasingly alarmist chicken-little garbage in the mainstream press, the exquisite media and academic silence about the countless inaccuracies and falsehoods in Al Gore’s speeches and movie, etc., etc., have created a situation in which any drivel, no matter how obviously nonsensical, gets uncritical headline hype in the world’s press, as long as it promotes public terror about global warming.
Up until now the mainstream press has set the needle at 9, as regards reporters’ willingness to pass along worthless BS for the good of the cause. This guy pushed the needle to 9.01, and suddenly everyone’s acting shocked and appalled. We can only hope that there will be a few science reporters out there who will look in the mirror and take stock of what has become of their profession.
The really chilling part of this story is that people are primed to believe it, and many will do just that. I’m no longer sure that any amount of rational arguement can overcome the growing mass of sheer idiocy that we seem to be seeing.
Gore and his followers have already convinced school kids that they are going to drown in rising seas while the oceans boil dry. Now the world is going to shake itself to pieces if we don’t fix global warming.
I’m going to go and stick a pencil in my eye to take my mind off this subject for a while.
re 55. nails it.
My comments about this Australian “scientist” and the context of his work:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/06/ap-and-tom-chalko-global-warming-and.html
Best wishes, Lubos
The poster child for planet greenhouse gas warming in this solar system, Venus, has not exploded yet. I’m not sure about the earthquakes, though.
#55 Ross
Yea the guy earlier in this thread pointing out the similarity to Gore was a low blow. (I wonder if Gore has flipped that chart yet).
Atlantic hurricane PDI is also highly correlated with global temperature increases, especially during the last 30 years. It puts into perspective the limitless upward trending quantities that can be associated with global temperature increases of 0.4 degrees C.
I was going to blog on this, but since I’m boycotting AP, well, I find myself in a but of a corundum…
This story originated from a press release sent via Marketwire. The original press release can be seen in this Globe and Mail feed
Paid news wires will send out pretty much anything they are paid to send out so long as it is not inflammatory, racist or libelous. They are concerned with fraudulent releases only insofar as verifying that the organization sending the press release is the one they say it is, though some newswires tend to be more stringent than others.
I used to work for a newswire so I know the business and how that part all works – though it’s not something many people outside of the news or public relations business are familiar with.
Picking apart this ‘study’ is pointless – five seconds of Googling is all it took to show that the organisation it’s attached to is obviously not a real academic organization nor the publication a real scientific Journal. That the AP writer couldn’t be bothered indicates to me the worst sort of laziness.
All kinds of lesser-known organisations – will take on the expense of paid newswire distribution since it does tend to be the best way to get journalists’ attention and can sometimes lend dubious groups an air of legitimacy. I can’t fault bloggers for not being familiar with all this, but writers for AP should definitely know better.
The tendency for media to reprint press releases with little scrutiny and only minor editing is something more bloggers should be aware of however – it happens more than nearly anyone (apart from the newswires) would like to admit!
Indeed, it is a good idea to familiarize yourself with the main sites as they are often the original source for a lot of stories in the media, and Greenpeace, WWF, Sierra club, Suzuki and countless others all use one of them:
PR Newswire
Businesswire
CNW Group/Canada NewsWire
and last but not least, Marketwire, formerly CCNMatthews.
He looks like his fashion adviser is the same person who styled Gene Wilder as Dr. Fronkuhnsteen.
“The side effect of restoration of perfect health is gaining the unlimited potential of your mind. You have been warned…”
Thanks for the warning.
So I guess no one here has achieved the “restoration of perfect health”. We have not achieved the unlimited potential of our minds, so therefore, his science is far beyond what we, the possessors of imperfect health, could possibly understand.
PS. Evidence of my limited mental potential?
well, I find myself in a but of a corundum…
Bit. Bit.
…and yes, I did mean to type corundum. Old joke amongst us geology students.
When I made my previous post, I had yet to learn that this guy actually has been a guest on “Coast to Coast AM” – I simply shot from the hip. I was right! LOL!
RE: “I’m going to go and stick a pencil in my eye to take my mind off this subject for a while.”
While listening to the 1980s Southern California hard core punk band “Angry Samoans.”
This one’s for Moshpit:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/angry-samoans–steak-knife-and-lights-out/2751016467
Eh? 🙄 8000 years too late and shouldn’t be out until 2028.
Ross #55: “This guy pushed the needle to 9.01”
More like the knobs on this amp go to 13.
Studio version (click on the link for your preferred player, above the comic strip):
http://www.wfmu.org/Comics/samoa1.html
Lucia,
How did you do that!? I thought for just a moment that my body heat had caused a local earth quake.
Separated at birth – Dr Tom Chalko and Dr Hans Zarkov.
PS. Looks like CBS has pulled the story.
Reminds me of the impression the air is dirtier, when in fact it’s so clean they lowered the alert levels to something that the increased number of sensors is seeing better than in the past, resulting in more air pollution warning days. 🙂
Reminds me of the long-unresolved climate conundrum:
Why is it hotter in the summer than it is in the country?
As an Australian (living in Canada) and a graduate of the University of Melbourne (civil engineering), I apologize to the rest of the world for this dickhead.
(BTW, the only way “climate change” can induce seismic activity is by encouraging geosequestration of CO2)
Lance– How did I do what? Find the trivial on Chalco? I discovered the story several months ago, and didn’t blog. I’d thought it was a hoot, and wasted time clicking and googled his name.
So…. when I read Deltoid’s story about orbiting satellites causing global warming, I remembered about “global warming earth explode”.
I wrote about Chalco on at my blog on June 16!
I wasn’t aware the AP ever picked this up though. But when I saw y’all were discussing it, I googled things like “Tom Chalko gravity”, “Tom Chalko refrigerator”.
You can also google “Tom Chalko guitar” and eventually find some sound clips of his music etc. If you look at pictures, Chalco sort of looks like Raypierre with a more well groomed beard.
I don’t know what else you can find.
We are all having a good laugh but I guarantee that an increase in earthquakes will be added to the pop AGW litany.
Chalko claims AGW may cause the planet to explode. LHC alarmists claim the collider may cause the planet to implode. I say the AGW explosion will be balanced by the LHC implosion creating a harmonious sustainable future.
Hmmm, perhaps we should update Deltoid’s Global Warming Bingo with the modern version:
Global warming will cause polar bears to go extinct …
Global warming will cause global cooling …
Global warming will cause the world to explode …
…
#76. sizewise, they don’t look the same. raypierre is shriveled; Chalko looks like a normal size.
Chalco uses the word “robust” just as fluently as the Team. Here he tells us that “electronic consciousness” is robust:
As of this moment, MSNBC is still carrying the story
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25222766/
I told my grandson about it and this is what he had to say.
re 69. hehe. good one.
I spent way too much time at Atomic Cafe and Madame Wong’s. back in
the day.
Some history for the kids
http://www.seancarrillo.com/eden.htm
These folks have prevented many pounds of CO2 emissions! http://www.neutonpower.com/
And everyone knows that generating electricity is carbon neutral! Of course, an old-school hand-mower (one would imagine that’s a push mower!) needs no carbon; making you breathe and making you hungry to eat more beef or such than normal has no impact either.
😀
On consideration, I know have a theory: My June 16 blog post triggered this insanity. 🙂
OTOH, it takes about $1000 to get a solar charger that outputs up to 285 amp-hours per week of clean solar energy you know.
86 lucia
It’s all your fault!
😀
I recall during the big tsunami years back that a few media articles came out related to global warming. Most were trying to say that the damage inflicted by tsunamis would increase due to rising sea levels. But there were a few where readers put comments at the bottom saying they wouldn’t be surprised if global warming caused it. There may have been a few articles linking global warming to the event itself, but that was many laughable articles ago…
re: 64
Excellent point about the so called news we receive from news organizations. I became convinced a number of years ago that, other than ‘hard news’, most of what is reported, especially on medicine and science, are press releases being read uncritically.
This ‘story’ fits right in with the piece in the New England Journal of Medicine about the cat that could predict the death of patients in a nursing home.
Mosh, only went to M Wongs once. The night The Resistors opened for Oingo Boingo. I wonder if you were there that night.
Lucia- “How did I do what?”
C’mon, or are you just trying to having a little fun with me?
When you click the link in your first post, Research plan 2001-2005
Tom J. Chalko, MEngSc, DrEngSc, it makes the screen image shake like there is a 8.9 Richter scale earth quake shaking the monitor.
Fess up, whats the command for this little parlor trick?
In the mid-1600s, Bishop James Ussher predicted the world would end on October 23, 1997.
Nostradamus predicted the “King of Terror” will arrive in mid-July 1999.
Hindus believe the avatar of Krishna will be returning to the world in 2003.
The ancient Mayans are known for the incredible accuracy of their calendar. It stops on December 21, 2012.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses say the Battle of Armageddon will being in 2014.
The Muslim calendar ends in 2076
The Jewish calendar gives the world until 2240.
Criswell predicted the world will end precisely on August 18, 1999.
Past Predictions included the 1988 destruction of London, England by a meteor. Criswell also said, “I predict that by 1980 you will be able to lift your own face in your own home for only $5.00.”
Television evangelist Jack Van Impe said the end will come after the year 2000.
Richard W. Noone, author-prophet who wrote 5/5/2000: ICE — THE ULTIMATE DISASTER, is very precise about his date the world will end. “On May 5, of the year 2000, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn will be aligned with earth for the first time in 6000 years. On that date, the ice buildup at the South Pole will upset the earth’s axis, sending trillions of tons of ice in the water sweeping over the surface of our planet.
The Unarius Society, UFO disciples, believe that in the year 2000, “a Pleiadean starship will land on the rising portion of Atlantis in the Bermuda Triangle.”
Several Muslim Sufi sects have set 2076 as the end-time.
According to the Jewish calendar, 2240 is the year 6000 and the end time.
Take your pick…
I read on a bathroom wall that the world will end when the “Never Out” toilet paper dispenser runs out. I’m still going with that.
Here is one for you guys. It does not relate to this topic, but perhaps it should be covered in a new thread. It looks like the IPCC needed to go back and change history a bit to make it fit their conclusions:
“Ocean Temperatures And Sea Level Increases 50 Percent Higher Than Previously Estimated”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080618143301.htm
Kind of hard to argue with that one. Sounds like something the Team might come up with.
92 Hoi Polloi
Good post!
“The ancient Mayans are known for the incredible accuracy of their calendar. It stops on December 21, 2012”
Actually, it’s just that the Long Count will roll over from 12.19.19.17.19 (or hit 13.0.0.0.0) (starting the 14th baktun, 394th year period) again around the 20th of Dec 2012. Last time was around Aug 3114 BC (or Nov 3374 BC if you prefer). Look up baktun katun tun uinal kin.
But there’s also the piktun kalabtun kinchiltun and alautun. It actually goes to like the year 4772 AD, which is something like 1.0.0.0.0.8 5 Lamat 1 Mol (9.8.9.13.0 8 Ahau 13 Pop, with a distance date of 10.11.10.5.8)
Anyway, slightly interesting trivia about it; we’ll see if Jan 1st 2013 rolls around like the last start of the last year of the 20th century, Jan 1st 2000 did, or the 1st year of the 21st, Jan 1st 2001.
😀
RE: 91 Lance “How’d you do that”.
Lucia didn’t, the code is in Chalko’s page.
View source. Look for “vibrate”
David–
The article you mention also compared the sea level rise to projections from the IPCC models.
I’d put this on unthreaded, but then, you might not see the response!
The strange thing is this idiot generated more posts in such a short time, than any of the clever statistical reconstructions we normally get.
I bet you would get the same effect if you blamed it all on Aliens, and many would believe every word.
100 UK John “if you blamed it all on Aliens”
Of course it’s Aliens.
George Bernard Shaw: There really are aliens from outer space, and for hundreds of years they have been dumping their insane here!
re 90. ah never saw Oingo Boingo there. Saw them at the US festivale,
hosted by woz. police, talking heads, the cars ( they sucked)etc etc
“Nostradamus predicted the “King of Terror” will arrive in mid-July 1999.”
Nostradamus missed by 2 years.
Does the idea that warming may cause earthquakes and even the earth to explode tell us anything useful about AGW alarmism?
Does the idea that global warming is not caused by CO2 but microwave sattellites tell us anything useful about AGW skepticism?
RE: #103 – RE: #71 – that first frame in the comic strip bears a strong resemblance to the various alleyways around the “garment district” / Santee Alley, back in the day. Also, such “scenery” would go along quite well with “I Love Living In The City” (LOL!).
I can improve the resolution of Van Impe’s prediction by about 7 1/2 years.
😉
I think our friend might have watched this movie a few too many times
Young Einstein
Chalko got it a bit wrong. It’s not the warming that magnifies earthquakes, its the increased carbon dioxide. It’s quite intuitive.
Everyone knows that CO2 absorbs the pressure waves from the vibrating surface. Everyone also knows that CO2 magnifies the greenhouse warming effects of water vapor by preventing cloud formation and making climate models tippy, but many forget another property of CO2. That is its ability to teleconnect with other CO2 molecules to synchronize pulsed retransmission pressure waves targeted at specific “tipping points” of the surface that will magnify the quake. These magnified vibrations that are propagated into the atmosphere will also be retransmitted by the teleconnected CO2 until the “tipping point” locations have have lost their tip.
Come on! This is basic sky-ence.
103 omg Mosh – was that the “Us” concert – ’84? I was there! Great time!
I think Chalko spent too much time zapping himself with lasers… fried his mind…. LOL
Michael Hauber:
It isn’t that some crank has a harebrained theory, but that the AP, CBS News and MSNBC treated it as credible.
Uh-Uhhh. I read just last winter (on this blog, I think) that some Brit Geologist said that rising seas would overstress the oceanic plates and and cause massive seismic instability along the coasts. He’s with the Hadley Centre, and you can’t argue with that.
Maybe Australia will name Chalko this year’s Australian of the Year, and he can be in the august company of Tim Flannery.
“Retreating glaciers spur Alaskan earthquakes”:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2004/0715glacierquakes.html
NASA scientists from (roll drum) Goddard Space Centre.
Ryanm,
Perhaps there is some correlation between global warming and English soccer Premier League results.
Do you think I must publish a paper about it?
😉
Gentle warning. Do keep in mind that a favourite form of Aussie humour is to “Take the mickey out of people”. For all I know, this guy might be trying to outdo the most outlandish of the outlandish, for fun. (It’s not me under a pseudonym, but it’s the type of thing I used to do for fun).
University of Melbourne today quite correctly avoided any privacy issues and so I found out zero. Will try Ethics Committee after the weekend. Did confirm that there is a degree named M. Eng. Sc. (Master of Science in Engineering) but await news on how long it has existed.
I’m glad that the general tone of CA response has been muted and is in an audit mode.
According to Anthony Watts, the AP had nothing to do with this story. He contacted several friends with AP feeds, and they checked their archives. The story did not come from AP.
Why did CBS say they got it from AP? Nobody knows, CBS isn’t talking.
BTW, CBS pulled the story from their web page last night without notice. No retraction, nothing. It’s just gone.
Andrey, the concept is quite correct. After the last Ice Age there were many enormous quakes due to the rebound. Google for “Parvie Fault” and you’ll see what I mean.
At the time of the last Glacial Maximum, Scandinavia was depressed an estimated 900 metres due to the weight of the ice. Once the ice melts, the crust rises and there can be mind boggling earthquakes. It would be surprising if the Laurentide Sheet did not have a similar effect in Canada. My reading on this topic is a few years out of date but IIRC there are parts of Canada still rising @2cm+ per year.
The Mayan calendar never ends, it just starts a new cycle.
…on the other hand, a huge oceanic earthquake might add some heat into the budget.
MarkW:
That’s the million dollar question. Why did CBS or someone at CBS think the AP ran this story? How did this thing appear?
Apparently the the story came from a wire service called Market Wire (or something close to that).
It’s possible that somebody just thought that all wire services are AP. Though I have a hard time believing that anyone who works in a newsroom would make that basic an error.
Another possibility is they thought the story would carry more weight if it were attributed to AP.
There could be other possibilities as well.
And your calculation is off too: the “reign of terror” actually ran from 1993 – 2001…
Steve, sometimes, while always interesting, some of the posts on CA are, shall we say, dry. Thank you for letting this one roll on it’s zany way. Sometimes we just need a laugh. BTW, on that note, have any of you seen Achmed, the dead terrorist.
May be Dr Tom Chalko is in fact right in his interpretation of earthquakes and global temperature trends. The extended curve of earthquakes backwards to 1900 seems to fit the temperature curves we are approaching when correcting the basic data as Anthony Watts has done.
JohnB (another one):
Well, yes, I agree, but can you compare melting of 3 kilometers thick of continental ice with minuscule couple of cubokilometrs oscillations of glaciers? In seriously earthquake-prone zone of active continental plates movement? With 10 meters of seasonal snow precipitation?
Concept could be right, but actual numbers of glacier’s mass fluctuations have an influence of mosquito bite in elephant ass.
Paul O. says
Global warming is apparent but is it man made? When an earthquake occurs the energy is disapated into the earth and the oceans. Where does the heat go from there? Into the atmosphere. More seizmic activity equates to more heat in the atmosphere. Where does seizmic instability originate from? Gravitational force of the sun and moon and from the impact of astroids, comets etc.
Reguarding:Earthquakes and global warming
by ryanm on June 18th, 2008
I think there is a connection but they just have it ass backwards just like temp and Co2.
The Sun electro-magnetic interaction causes pole wobble that causes the sisemic crust plate disturbances which trigger undersea volcanic and vent hat transfer to the Ocean that then melts ice from under as well as the surrounding atmosphere.It all fits well with the below well.
Mystery Solved POST AT http://www.whatisclimate.com/wanttocomment.html
I feel Climate change in the Arctic has nought to do with AGW as warming and melting ice from a sun warmed atmosphere is impossible but IS POISSIBLE and FAR more likely from a warmed Ocean and the wind’s off the top of them and melting from UNDER the Sea ice.”
Is it just coincidence that there were two episodes of irregular Magnetic North Pole deviations in BOTH time-frames as there were periods of extreme heat waves and unusual ice-cap melting,of which seem to be ignored and not put into the equasion to explain the mystery that some say surround’s Arctic melting?
(QUOTE)
http://www.arctic-heats-up.com/chapter_6.html
The astonishment is enhanced by the fact that some researches have no problem to acknowledge that the warming since the 1920s:
•was greater in magnitude and more rapid, than the recent one;
•displays exceptional rapid winter warming;
•the seasonal differences are striking;
•has no summer signal at all;
•is one of the most spectacular climate events;
•is one of the most puzzling climatic anomalies, but do not rest until finding an answer to each
of the raised points.
“Average Arctic temperatures increased at almost twice the global average rate in the past 100 years.
Arctic temperatures have high decadal variability and a warm period was also observed from 1925 to 1945” (IPCC, 2007).
With such statement the IPCC demonstrates how superficially one of the most striking climatic shifts of the 20th century is handled.
Due to the fact that the sun is not and cannot be the direct source of the extraordinary warming during the Arctic winter, this leads inevitable to the prime source of heat supply, the
ocean and the seas.
(END QUOTE)
I think there’s not much mystery about it really,It’s the Massive 3 MILLION? Under-sea thermal and volcanic activity under the Arctic AND the warm currents also from the ring of fire that enter the Arctic which would ALL originate from an unballanced world causing above normal sizemic activity and thus extra heat entering the Ocean,It solves the
“one of the most puzzling climatic anomalies”
——
As someone else posted there,I have the sam issue:
The issue I have with “arctic warming”, is the warming happens in the middle of winter when its far to cold for ice to melt, there is little trend in summer when ice does melt. Averaging the two creates a warming trend which is misleading as the trend is unrelated to the ice melt season.
Anyone agree?
Anyone who thinks earthquakes are related to global warming is an idoit.
Earthquakes are cause by tacttonic plact rubbing against each other and slamming into one another. DUH…
If temperature really effected whether or not we had earthquakes then everytime it went from winter to summer we would be devistated by quakes. USE YOU BRAINS PEOPLE.
Steve: We thought so as well. That’s why criticized CBS for publishing this story. Address your complaint to them.
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