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	<title>Comments on: Fortress Met Office</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: IPCC Scientists &#8211; Guests of the Environmental Defense Fund &#171; NoFrakkingConsensus</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-322680</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IPCC Scientists &#8211; Guests of the Environmental Defense Fund &#171; NoFrakkingConsensus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] John Mitchell (UK) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Rose on Fortress Met Office &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-220200</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rose on Fortress Met Office &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] accounts of the progress of the Met Office FOIs are here here here here [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Fortress Met Office continued &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-218266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fortress Met Office continued &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  More obstruction from the Met Office, in which they have changed their obstruction strategy. Previously they said that Mitchell had destroyed all of this email correspondence. This prompted David Holland to ask [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  More obstruction from the Met Office, in which they have changed their obstruction strategy. Previously they said that Mitchell had destroyed all of this email correspondence. This prompted David Holland to ask [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mosher: The Hackers &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-218033</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mosher: The Hackers &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] itself was exposed primarily because of the &#8220;pressure&#8221; put on the hackers by the FIOA process. And as the mails also show, the hackers moved to thwart the FOIA process by corrupting FOIA [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] itself was exposed primarily because of the &#8220;pressure&#8221; put on the hackers by the FIOA process. And as the mails also show, the hackers moved to thwart the FOIA process by corrupting FOIA [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A story illustrating one of the most important aspects of the climate science debate &#171; Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-151389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A story illustrating one of the most important aspects of the climate science debate &#171; Fabius Maximus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] “Fortress Met Office“, Steve McIntyre, Climate Audit, 20 June 2008. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-151388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[24 Steve

Agreed. One of the strategy documents by some British consultants (on CA, recently, cannot refind link) advised against a vision of public conflict between AGW and others, saying that it was best to project that the AGW position was normal and accepted and not to acknowledge that different views existed. (This could be part of the tactics you are fighting).

Well, CA certainly changed that. Persistence was part, but there is sunshine there too. It is on the increase. People like Ian Castles above are held in high regard by those who know of his work. Your ability to attract calibre people is part of the sunshine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24 Steve</p>
<p>Agreed. One of the strategy documents by some British consultants (on CA, recently, cannot refind link) advised against a vision of public conflict between AGW and others, saying that it was best to project that the AGW position was normal and accepted and not to acknowledge that different views existed. (This could be part of the tactics you are fighting).</p>
<p>Well, CA certainly changed that. Persistence was part, but there is sunshine there too. It is on the increase. People like Ian Castles above are held in high regard by those who know of his work. Your ability to attract calibre people is part of the sunshine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Castles</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-151387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Castles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#19: Thank you, James S. for posting a link to this most useful facility. It prompted me to make a request of the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA), which has already published on the site to which you provided a link. The text of my request follows:

&quot;I have learned from a response to a request I have made under the Australian Freedom of Information Act 1983 (FOI Act) that Miss Sarah Hendry. Head of Global Atmosphere Division, DEFRA, made a powerpoint presentation to a workshop entitled &quot;The Role of Economic Modeling in Climate Change Policy&quot;, organised by the Australian Bureau of Agricultural Research Economics (ABARE) at the Boat House by the Lake, Canberra, Australia on 8-9 May 2003.

&quot;ABARE has denied me access to a copy of Miss Hendry&#039;s presentation on the grounds that &quot;The document, or the exempt part of the document, is of such a nature that its disclosure under the Act would found an action, by a person other than the Commonwealth, for a breach of confidence&quot; (s. 45, FOI Act).

&quot;Under the UK Freedom of Information Act 2000, I seek access to a copy of Miss Hendry&#039;s presentation and of any correspondence held by DEFRA imposing or accepting conditions of confidence in relation to that presentation.

&quot;I also seek access to any report that Miss Hendry may have made on the workshop, and to copies of other presentations made to the meeting by climate change negotiators or modellers.&quot;

ABARE&#039;s response to my Australian FOI request also disclosed that the Bureau held copies of powerpoint presentations, papers or notes presented to the workshop by Paul Fauteux, Director General, Environment Canada - Climate Change Bureau, Canada; Harald Dovland, Deputy Director General, Ministry of Environment, Norway; Mr Ken Okaniwa, Director, Climate Change Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Japan; Prof. John Weyant, Director, Energy Modeling Forum, Department of Management, Science and Engineering, Stanford University; James Edmonds, Chief Scientist, Joint Global Change Research Institute, University of Maryland; Richard Richels, Technical Executive, Electric Power Research Institute; Prof Shunsuke Mori, Department of Industrial Administration, University of Science, Tokyo; and Professor Priyardashi Shukla, Public Systems Group Indian Institute of Management, India.

The Schedule to ABARE&#039;s response indicated that access to all of these documents had been denied under s. 45 of the FOI Act, although the Bureau inadvertently provided me with copies of the powerpoint presentations by Dovland, Edmonds and Richels. Each of the slides in James Edmonds&#039; presentation is stamped &quot;DRAFT&quot;, but there is no sign on the face of any of these presentations  that they had been classified as confidential.

The participant list indicates that other participants in the workshop included Dr Rajendra Pachauri, Chair, IPCC; Luiz Gylvan Meira Filho, Senior Scientific Adviser, UNFCCC; Francisco de la Chesnaye, Lead Economist, Environmental Protection Agency, United States; Mr Tetsuya Shimokawa, Section Chief, Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, Japan; Kuniaki Makiya, Director, Office of International Strategy, Ministry of the Environment, Japan; Mr Chan-woo Kim, Director, Environment Cooperation, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Republic of Korea; and Ms Sharron Came, Senior Analyst, Treasury, New Zealand.

It is not clear why any agency which is subject to FOI legislation should choose to withhold copies of any of these papers that they may have in their possession. I&#039;m therefore led to suggest that nationals in other jurisdictions consider making FOI requests to agencies which sent representatives to the Canberra workshop, along the lines of the request I&#039;ve made to DEFRA. If the documents were not classified, as appears to be the case, it is difficult to understand why agencies should deny access to them. It is relevant to note that, to my knowledge, several of the workshop participants have left government employment and are now employed by private enterprises which have interests in climate change policies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19: Thank you, James S. for posting a link to this most useful facility. It prompted me to make a request of the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA), which has already published on the site to which you provided a link. The text of my request follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have learned from a response to a request I have made under the Australian Freedom of Information Act 1983 (FOI Act) that Miss Sarah Hendry. Head of Global Atmosphere Division, DEFRA, made a powerpoint presentation to a workshop entitled &#8220;The Role of Economic Modeling in Climate Change Policy&#8221;, organised by the Australian Bureau of Agricultural Research Economics (ABARE) at the Boat House by the Lake, Canberra, Australia on 8-9 May 2003.</p>
<p>&#8220;ABARE has denied me access to a copy of Miss Hendry&#8217;s presentation on the grounds that &#8220;The document, or the exempt part of the document, is of such a nature that its disclosure under the Act would found an action, by a person other than the Commonwealth, for a breach of confidence&#8221; (s. 45, FOI Act).</p>
<p>&#8220;Under the UK Freedom of Information Act 2000, I seek access to a copy of Miss Hendry&#8217;s presentation and of any correspondence held by DEFRA imposing or accepting conditions of confidence in relation to that presentation.</p>
<p>&#8220;I also seek access to any report that Miss Hendry may have made on the workshop, and to copies of other presentations made to the meeting by climate change negotiators or modellers.&#8221;</p>
<p>ABARE&#8217;s response to my Australian FOI request also disclosed that the Bureau held copies of powerpoint presentations, papers or notes presented to the workshop by Paul Fauteux, Director General, Environment Canada &#8211; Climate Change Bureau, Canada; Harald Dovland, Deputy Director General, Ministry of Environment, Norway; Mr Ken Okaniwa, Director, Climate Change Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Japan; Prof. John Weyant, Director, Energy Modeling Forum, Department of Management, Science and Engineering, Stanford University; James Edmonds, Chief Scientist, Joint Global Change Research Institute, University of Maryland; Richard Richels, Technical Executive, Electric Power Research Institute; Prof Shunsuke Mori, Department of Industrial Administration, University of Science, Tokyo; and Professor Priyardashi Shukla, Public Systems Group Indian Institute of Management, India.</p>
<p>The Schedule to ABARE&#8217;s response indicated that access to all of these documents had been denied under s. 45 of the FOI Act, although the Bureau inadvertently provided me with copies of the powerpoint presentations by Dovland, Edmonds and Richels. Each of the slides in James Edmonds&#8217; presentation is stamped &#8220;DRAFT&#8221;, but there is no sign on the face of any of these presentations  that they had been classified as confidential.</p>
<p>The participant list indicates that other participants in the workshop included Dr Rajendra Pachauri, Chair, IPCC; Luiz Gylvan Meira Filho, Senior Scientific Adviser, UNFCCC; Francisco de la Chesnaye, Lead Economist, Environmental Protection Agency, United States; Mr Tetsuya Shimokawa, Section Chief, Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, Japan; Kuniaki Makiya, Director, Office of International Strategy, Ministry of the Environment, Japan; Mr Chan-woo Kim, Director, Environment Cooperation, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Republic of Korea; and Ms Sharron Came, Senior Analyst, Treasury, New Zealand.</p>
<p>It is not clear why any agency which is subject to FOI legislation should choose to withhold copies of any of these papers that they may have in their possession. I&#8217;m therefore led to suggest that nationals in other jurisdictions consider making FOI requests to agencies which sent representatives to the Canberra workshop, along the lines of the request I&#8217;ve made to DEFRA. If the documents were not classified, as appears to be the case, it is difficult to understand why agencies should deny access to them. It is relevant to note that, to my knowledge, several of the workshop participants have left government employment and are now employed by private enterprises which have interests in climate change policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-151386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#23. I agree about persistence. But you need more than persistence. You need sunshine.  And Climate Audit has a big enough audience to change the dynamic.  We&#039;ve had some success in the past forcing institutions to do the right thing and I&#039;m confident that both the Met Office and CRU will have to as well. Maybe it will go to litigation, maybe it won&#039;t.  There are some intermediate processes that have to be exhausted first in any case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23. I agree about persistence. But you need more than persistence. You need sunshine.  And Climate Audit has a big enough audience to change the dynamic.  We&#8217;ve had some success in the past forcing institutions to do the right thing and I&#8217;m confident that both the Met Office and CRU will have to as well. Maybe it will go to litigation, maybe it won&#8217;t.  There are some intermediate processes that have to be exhausted first in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-151385</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re # 21 Steve

Missing document procedures, was involved in one in our second highest Court. An understanding Judge and a top Queens&#039; Counsel sorted it, but I have felt the frustration. I can only repeat what you know, that
(a) stonewalling is a strategy that you have to meet with persistence
(b) nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition (Monty Python, translation - the force of your argument can sometimes be unexpected and fruitful).

Again telling you what you probably know, but see if it is possible to start action to extend Statutes of Limitation(s) or their equivalents in critical matters.

Another Sir Humphrey to fight - &quot;anything is possible, but nothing is possible for the first time&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re # 21 Steve</p>
<p>Missing document procedures, was involved in one in our second highest Court. An understanding Judge and a top Queens&#8217; Counsel sorted it, but I have felt the frustration. I can only repeat what you know, that<br />
(a) stonewalling is a strategy that you have to meet with persistence<br />
(b) nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition (Monty Python, translation &#8211; the force of your argument can sometimes be unexpected and fruitful).</p>
<p>Again telling you what you probably know, but see if it is possible to start action to extend Statutes of Limitation(s) or their equivalents in critical matters.</p>
<p>Another Sir Humphrey to fight &#8211; &#8220;anything is possible, but nothing is possible for the first time&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/06/20/fortress-met-office/#comment-151384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The video is interesting.  The interviewer sounds pretty hard-nosed.  Do you think it might be worthwhile sending him a synopsis and asking him if he would have treated Dr. Mitchell with the same deference if he had known how reluctant Mitchell was to follow the letter and spirit of the law and scientific discourse.  Peer review mean little if nobody can take a look at how the peer review process works:  It is a bit like an auditor writing an audit report and then destroying his/her audit papers:  it constitutes malpractice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video is interesting.  The interviewer sounds pretty hard-nosed.  Do you think it might be worthwhile sending him a synopsis and asking him if he would have treated Dr. Mitchell with the same deference if he had known how reluctant Mitchell was to follow the letter and spirit of the law and scientific discourse.  Peer review mean little if nobody can take a look at how the peer review process works:  It is a bit like an auditor writing an audit report and then destroying his/her audit papers:  it constitutes malpractice.</p>
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