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	<title>Comments on: CSIRO adopts Phil Jones&#8217; Stonewall Tactic</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Callaway golf iron</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-305876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Callaway golf iron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 20:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;/...&lt;/strong&gt;

A Committee is a group of people who individually can do nothing, but as a group decide that nothing can be done....]]></description>
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<p>A Committee is a group of people who individually can do nothing, but as a group decide that nothing can be done&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: I Guess It Got Lost in the Mail &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-251981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Guess It Got Lost in the Mail &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] only other quotation from a CSIRO response was in the first post  where I quoted: In the most recent episode, CSIRO [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: CSIRO and BOM propaganda continues &#171; TWAWKI</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-225627</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CSIRO and BOM propaganda continues &#171; TWAWKI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] CSIRO billion dollar budget, CSIRO stonewalling [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-154999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using an old thread to report developments of an open sore.

It&#039;s Australia and we now have an &quot;Office of the Renewable Energy Regulator&quot;.

There is a disclaimer:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The Office of the Renewable Energy Regulator (ORER) website is presented by the Commonwealth for the purpose of disseminating information free of charge for the benefit of the public.

The Commonwealth monitors the quality of the information available on this website and updates the information regularly.

&lt;strong&gt;However, the Commonwealth does not guarantee, and accepts no legal liability whatsoever arising from or connected to, the accuracy, reliability, currency or completeness of any material contained on this website or on any linked site.&lt;/strong&gt;
The Commonwealth recommends that users exercise their own skill and care with respect to their use of this website and that users carefully evaluate the accuracy, currency, completeness and relevance of the material on the website for their purposes.

This website is not a substitute for independent professional advice and users should obtain any appropriate professional advice relevant to their particular circumstances.

The material on this website may include the views or recommendations of third parties, which do not necessarily reflect the views of the Commonwealth, or indicate its commitment to a particular course of action.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
(My bold).

Also,

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Office of the Renewable Energy Regulator is a statutory authority established to oversee the implementation of the Australian Government&#039;s mandatory renewable energy target.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A few days ago, CSIRO issued a report about the impact of global warming on the fishing resources of Australia. It came out with an introduction by the Australian Government Department of the Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts, which is responsible for the development and ongoing operation of the Department of the Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts web site.

So what does this department then write - a disclaimer.

&lt;blockquote&gt;However, the Commonwealth does not guarantee, and accepts no legal liability whatsoever arising from or connected to, the accuracy, reliability, currency or completeness of any material contained on this web site or on any linked site.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One must presume that the original CSIRO report, by being on or linked to this website, cannot attract legal liability. One wonders if there is precedent for such a way to avoid liability, for example if deliberate negligence was alleged or proven.

I used to be in the Royal Australian Air Force Academy. As part of a severe bastardisation policy, there was frequent repetition of the words,

&lt;strong&gt;Do what I say, not what I do.&lt;/strong&gt;

It is sad to hear this stone age mentality coming from Government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using an old thread to report developments of an open sore.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Australia and we now have an &#8220;Office of the Renewable Energy Regulator&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is a disclaimer:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The Office of the Renewable Energy Regulator (ORER) website is presented by the Commonwealth for the purpose of disseminating information free of charge for the benefit of the public.</p>
<p>The Commonwealth monitors the quality of the information available on this website and updates the information regularly.</p>
<p><strong>However, the Commonwealth does not guarantee, and accepts no legal liability whatsoever arising from or connected to, the accuracy, reliability, currency or completeness of any material contained on this website or on any linked site.</strong><br />
The Commonwealth recommends that users exercise their own skill and care with respect to their use of this website and that users carefully evaluate the accuracy, currency, completeness and relevance of the material on the website for their purposes.</p>
<p>This website is not a substitute for independent professional advice and users should obtain any appropriate professional advice relevant to their particular circumstances.</p>
<p>The material on this website may include the views or recommendations of third parties, which do not necessarily reflect the views of the Commonwealth, or indicate its commitment to a particular course of action.</p></blockquote>
<p>(My bold).</p>
<p>Also,</p>
<blockquote><p>The Office of the Renewable Energy Regulator is a statutory authority established to oversee the implementation of the Australian Government&#8217;s mandatory renewable energy target.</p></blockquote>
<p>A few days ago, CSIRO issued a report about the impact of global warming on the fishing resources of Australia. It came out with an introduction by the Australian Government Department of the Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts, which is responsible for the development and ongoing operation of the Department of the Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts web site.</p>
<p>So what does this department then write &#8211; a disclaimer.</p>
<blockquote><p>However, the Commonwealth does not guarantee, and accepts no legal liability whatsoever arising from or connected to, the accuracy, reliability, currency or completeness of any material contained on this web site or on any linked site.</p></blockquote>
<p>One must presume that the original CSIRO report, by being on or linked to this website, cannot attract legal liability. One wonders if there is precedent for such a way to avoid liability, for example if deliberate negligence was alleged or proven.</p>
<p>I used to be in the Royal Australian Air Force Academy. As part of a severe bastardisation policy, there was frequent repetition of the words,</p>
<p><strong>Do what I say, not what I do.</strong></p>
<p>It is sad to hear this stone age mentality coming from Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Warming Skeptics: Why Do They Exist? &#171; UD/RK Samhälls Debatt</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-154998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Warming Skeptics: Why Do They Exist? &#171; UD/RK Samhälls Debatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Additionally, it goes a long way to explaining why Steve McIntyre gets this response when he requests the data he needs to try to replicate certain climate studies (and here): [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Additionally, it goes a long way to explaining why Steve McIntyre gets this response when he requests the data he needs to try to replicate certain climate studies (and here): [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Foote</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-154997</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Foote]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Steve. I am glad I have been able to help even though I am not qualified to evaluate the data. There is no need to repost my other comment as the release of the data makes its point moot.

I do hope that CSIRO will also release their code. I am unwilling to trust any source that is not completely transparent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Steve. I am glad I have been able to help even though I am not qualified to evaluate the data. There is no need to repost my other comment as the release of the data makes its point moot.</p>
<p>I do hope that CSIRO will also release their code. I am unwilling to trust any source that is not completely transparent.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Foote</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-154996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Foote]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would appear that the data is here: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/droughtec/download.shtml
The report and supplementary information can be had from here: &quot;http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/droughtec/&quot;

Steve, Is there a reason why my previous post concerning possible reasons why the CSIRO may not be releasing data was removed? I quoted a commenter from Andrew Bolt&#039;s page. Was there a problem with what I did?

&lt;strong&gt;Steve:&lt;/strong&gt; Don;t recall doing anything.  We&#039;ve had to change our spam filter settings because of crashing. Try again.

Thanks for the heads up on the data; I&#039;ve noted this in a head post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would appear that the data is here: <a href="http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/droughtec/download.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/droughtec/download.shtml</a><br />
The report and supplementary information can be had from here: &#8220;http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/droughtec/&#8221;</p>
<p>Steve, Is there a reason why my previous post concerning possible reasons why the CSIRO may not be releasing data was removed? I quoted a commenter from Andrew Bolt&#8217;s page. Was there a problem with what I did?</p>
<p><strong>Steve:</strong> Don;t recall doing anything.  We&#8217;ve had to change our spam filter settings because of crashing. Try again.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up on the data; I&#8217;ve noted this in a head post.</p>
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		<title>By: trevor</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-154995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trevor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Stockwell reports that CSIRO has now put up the data:  Ref

http://landshape.org/enm/10-reasons-to-share-your-data/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Stockwell reports that CSIRO has now put up the data:  Ref</p>
<p><a href="http://landshape.org/enm/10-reasons-to-share-your-data/" rel="nofollow">http://landshape.org/enm/10-reasons-to-share-your-data/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DaleC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-154994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DaleC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[climatechange.gov.au is quite fond of material from IPCC 2001.

http://www.climatechange.gov.au/science/faq/question2.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>climatechange.gov.au is quite fond of material from IPCC 2001.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climatechange.gov.au/science/faq/question2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatechange.gov.au/science/faq/question2.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ernie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/15/csiro-adopts-phil-jones-stonewall-policy/#comment-154993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Semi-related, the Australian Government has put up a site on Climate change. http://www.climatechange.gov.au/

In the section on Projections: http://www.climatechange.gov.au/impacts/projections/index.html

They site this May 2001 CSIRO document as the reference to the methods used. Of course it&#039;s pretty much IPCC data.

http://www.dar.csiro.au/impacts/docs/how.pdf

It&#039;s quite spooky to think they didn&#039;t have anything more recent than that for a new high profile site with blanket radio advertising to promote it.

- Ernie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semi-related, the Australian Government has put up a site on Climate change. <a href="http://www.climatechange.gov.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatechange.gov.au/</a></p>
<p>In the section on Projections: <a href="http://www.climatechange.gov.au/impacts/projections/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatechange.gov.au/impacts/projections/index.html</a></p>
<p>They site this May 2001 CSIRO document as the reference to the methods used. Of course it&#8217;s pretty much IPCC data.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dar.csiro.au/impacts/docs/how.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dar.csiro.au/impacts/docs/how.pdf</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite spooky to think they didn&#8217;t have anything more recent than that for a new high profile site with blanket radio advertising to promote it.</p>
<p>- Ernie.</p>
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