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	<title>Comments on: Is Briffa Finally Cornered?</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-402281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 20:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone finding this thread may find this later account to provide helpful context and updates:

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/5/9/the-yamal-deception.html

Years of stonewalling but data needs to be freed....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone finding this thread may find this later account to provide helpful context and updates:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/5/9/the-yamal-deception.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/5/9/the-yamal-deception.html</a></p>
<p>Years of stonewalling but data needs to be freed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve sent a couple of reminders to the journal as this has dragged. They report:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I can confirm that the authors have agreed to provide the majority of the data by the end of the year. They hope to provide the remainder in (hopefully) early 2009.

It has not been straightforward as the data come from a range of sources, each of which required individual negotiation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve sent a couple of reminders to the journal as this has dragged. They report:</p>
<blockquote><p>I can confirm that the authors have agreed to provide the majority of the data by the end of the year. They hope to provide the remainder in (hopefully) early 2009.</p>
<p>It has not been straightforward as the data come from a range of sources, each of which required individual negotiation.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157609</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah ok, I didn&#039;t really think anything that egregious could have occurred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah ok, I didn&#8217;t really think anything that egregious could have occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Huston</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157608</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cliff Huston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#68 jeez,

See http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1595 , section 6

Cliff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#68 jeez,</p>
<p>See <a href="http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1595" rel="nofollow">http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1595</a> , section 6</p>
<p>Cliff</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157607</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre.

Your quoted text

&lt;blockquote&gt;As a condition of acceptance authors agree to honour any reasonable request by other researchers for materials, methods, or data necessary to verify the conclusion of the article.

Supplementary data up to 10Mb is placed on the Society&#039;s website free of charge and is publicly accessible. Large datasets must be deposited in a recognised public domain database by the author prior to submission. The accession number should be provided for inclusion in the published article
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

from

http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1684#question10

is not found on that page. Have they amended their official policy since your request?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve McIntyre.</p>
<p>Your quoted text</p>
<blockquote><p>As a condition of acceptance authors agree to honour any reasonable request by other researchers for materials, methods, or data necessary to verify the conclusion of the article.</p>
<p>Supplementary data up to 10Mb is placed on the Society&#8217;s website free of charge and is publicly accessible. Large datasets must be deposited in a recognised public domain database by the author prior to submission. The accession number should be provided for inclusion in the published article
</p></blockquote>
<p>from</p>
<p><a href="http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1684#question10" rel="nofollow">http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1684#question10</a></p>
<p>is not found on that page. Have they amended their official policy since your request?</p>
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		<title>By: Two valuable perspectives on global warming &#171; Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Two valuable perspectives on global warming &#171; Fabius Maximus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;Is Briffa Finally Cornered?&#8220;, Steve McIntyre, Climate Audit, 30 July 2008 &#8212; Excerpt: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Is Briffa Finally Cornered?&#8220;, Steve McIntyre, Climate Audit, 30 July 2008 &#8212; Excerpt: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pile</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Pile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s nice to see the Royal Society journals taking data access seriously. But don&#039;t get too soft on them.

When Proceedings of the Royal Society A published &#039;Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature&#039; by Lockwood and Frohlich - partly in response to TGGWS, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climate-resistance.org/2007/07/great-solar-warming-squabble.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;apparently&lt;/a&gt; - its press release billed the paper as &quot;The truth about global warming!&quot;, claiming that &quot;the sun is not a factor in recent climate change!&quot; (Their exclamation marks.)

We have covered a number of stories relating to the Royal Society and its associates&#039; roles in  climate change debates at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climate-resistance.org/tag/royal-society&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate Resistance&lt;/a&gt;. I hope they are of interest.

What baffles us is that in contrast to the spirit of the Royal Society&#039;s motto (as commenters here have already observed) the RS seems to be establishing itself as a kind of custodian of the facts. Through reinventing itself as such, it then rules on what is or isn&#039;t a fact.

So worried are they, about the possibility of dialogue, that the discussion moves away from the facts, to the facts about facts, and facts about the rebellious presentation of facts. At this point, senior associates of the Royal Society do not seem to be against making things up themselves, especially if it gives them a chance to undermine the credibility of &#039;deniers&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to see the Royal Society journals taking data access seriously. But don&#8217;t get too soft on them.</p>
<p>When Proceedings of the Royal Society A published &#8216;Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature&#8217; by Lockwood and Frohlich &#8211; partly in response to TGGWS, <a href="http://www.climate-resistance.org/2007/07/great-solar-warming-squabble.html" rel="nofollow">apparently</a> &#8211; its press release billed the paper as &#8220;The truth about global warming!&#8221;, claiming that &#8220;the sun is not a factor in recent climate change!&#8221; (Their exclamation marks.)</p>
<p>We have covered a number of stories relating to the Royal Society and its associates&#8217; roles in  climate change debates at <a href="http://www.climate-resistance.org/tag/royal-society" rel="nofollow">Climate Resistance</a>. I hope they are of interest.</p>
<p>What baffles us is that in contrast to the spirit of the Royal Society&#8217;s motto (as commenters here have already observed) the RS seems to be establishing itself as a kind of custodian of the facts. Through reinventing itself as such, it then rules on what is or isn&#8217;t a fact.</p>
<p>So worried are they, about the possibility of dialogue, that the discussion moves away from the facts, to the facts about facts, and facts about the rebellious presentation of facts. At this point, senior associates of the Royal Society do not seem to be against making things up themselves, especially if it gives them a chance to undermine the credibility of &#8216;deniers&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dreamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sheesh.  Why was my 3rd comment deleted without explanation?  It was on-topic and civil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh.  Why was my 3rd comment deleted without explanation?  It was on-topic and civil.</p>
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		<title>By: UK John</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UK John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[understood, back to the lurker room.

Best wishes]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>understood, back to the lurker room.</p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/30/has-briffa-encountered-a-real-science-magazine/#comment-157602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, the topic is Briffa and the Royal Society and data disclosure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, the topic is Briffa and the Royal Society and data disclosure.</p>
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