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	<title>Comments on: Back from Italy</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Rudolf Calvert</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160811</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rudolf Calvert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rural Italy is turning more and more fashionable with tourists. Tuscany is particularly nice-looking with hilly and mountainous topography in much of the area. There are graceful valleys too and attractive Tuscan farm houses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rural Italy is turning more and more fashionable with tourists. Tuscany is particularly nice-looking with hilly and mountainous topography in much of the area. There are graceful valleys too and attractive Tuscan farm houses.</p>
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		<title>By: PaddikJ</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160810</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder why&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hehe; no you don&#039;t.

But it did remind me of the following:

&lt;em&gt;I wonder why, I wonder why,
I wonder why I wonder…
I wonder why I wonder why,
I wonder why I wonder&lt;/em&gt;

(Richard Feynman, ca. 1938)

To get back on topic, I too look forward to your analysis of The Team&#039;s data &amp; methodology when/if it becomes available (maybe after they locate those missing eight years that are supposed to be so anomalously warm - already it&#039;s looking shaky).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder why</p></blockquote>
<p>Hehe; no you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But it did remind me of the following:</p>
<p><em>I wonder why, I wonder why,<br />
I wonder why I wonder…<br />
I wonder why I wonder why,<br />
I wonder why I wonder</em></p>
<p>(Richard Feynman, ca. 1938)</p>
<p>To get back on topic, I too look forward to your analysis of The Team&#8217;s data &amp; methodology when/if it becomes available (maybe after they locate those missing eight years that are supposed to be so anomalously warm &#8211; already it&#8217;s looking shaky).</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160809</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[write your work into wordpad or similar than cut and paste to the blog]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>write your work into wordpad or similar than cut and paste to the blog</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Crawford</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160808</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Crawford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome back Steve…. hope both the conference and your trip/vacation were enjoyable.

It would be nice if Ross was right (above) and the Team has learned a little more about proper scientific research and use of the scientific method.  But, in reading the first few comments on the Mongabay blog relative to Mann&#039;s new paper, things don&#039;t look too hopeful.  We await with bated breath your analysis of the paper when it becomes available.

Joe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Steve…. hope both the conference and your trip/vacation were enjoyable.</p>
<p>It would be nice if Ross was right (above) and the Team has learned a little more about proper scientific research and use of the scientific method.  But, in reading the first few comments on the Mongabay blog relative to Mann&#8217;s new paper, things don&#8217;t look too hopeful.  We await with bated breath your analysis of the paper when it becomes available.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Sheldon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beggin&#039; your pardon, sir...
&lt;blockquote&gt;And while mongabay.com was given a preprint, it seems that climateaudit.org wasn&#039;t. I wonder why.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
the only &quot;wonder&quot; is why you wonder why.

I see elsewhere that they are now adjusting the sunspot numbers to make the answers come out right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beggin&#8217; your pardon, sir&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>And while mongabay.com was given a preprint, it seems that climateaudit.org wasn&#8217;t. I wonder why.</p></blockquote>
<p>the only &#8220;wonder&#8221; is why you wonder why.</p>
<p>I see elsewhere that they are now adjusting the sunspot numbers to make the answers come out right.</p>
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		<title>By: IainM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160806</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IainM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can anyone surmise why a paper published in 2008 and purporting to show that &quot;A reconstruction of surface temperatures over the past two thousand years provides further evidence that the northern hemisphere is &lt;strong&gt;now &lt;/strong&gt;warmer than at any time in at least 1300 years.&quot; should contain a spaghetti graph terminating in the year 2000, nearly a decade ago ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone surmise why a paper published in 2008 and purporting to show that &#8220;A reconstruction of surface temperatures over the past two thousand years provides further evidence that the northern hemisphere is <strong>now </strong>warmer than at any time in at least 1300 years.&#8221; should contain a spaghetti graph terminating in the year 2000, nearly a decade ago ?</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160805</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I see that Mann et al have a welcome-home present for us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


And GRL08 ( http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/shared/articles/MannGRL08.pdf ) is the  prologue. Tried this new smoother ( http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/smoothing08/lowpassadaptive.m )  with HadCRUT monthly and f=0.0104,

[smoothedbest,w0,w1,w2,msebest] = lowpassadaptive(HadM, 0.0104);

got this figure,



But the weights are [w0 w1 w2]

ans =

    0.4100         0    0.5500

Surprisingly, this does not agree with the text,  where constraint sum(w_j)=1  is specified. I guess there&#039;s something wrong with Mann&#039;s exhaustive search,


&lt;blockquote&gt;for weight0=0:0.01:1
 for weight1=0:0.01:1.0-weight0
   for weight2=0:0.01:1-weight0-weight1
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope he will fix this soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I see that Mann et al have a welcome-home present for us.</p></blockquote>
<p>And GRL08 ( <a href="http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/shared/articles/MannGRL08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/shared/articles/MannGRL08.pdf</a> ) is the  prologue. Tried this new smoother ( <a href="http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/smoothing08/lowpassadaptive.m" rel="nofollow">http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/smoothing08/lowpassadaptive.m</a> )  with HadCRUT monthly and f=0.0104,</p>
<p>[smoothedbest,w0,w1,w2,msebest] = lowpassadaptive(HadM, 0.0104);</p>
<p>got this figure,</p>
<p>But the weights are [w0 w1 w2]</p>
<p>ans =</p>
<p>    0.4100         0    0.5500</p>
<p>Surprisingly, this does not agree with the text,  where constraint sum(w_j)=1  is specified. I guess there&#8217;s something wrong with Mann&#8217;s exhaustive search,</p>
<blockquote><p>for weight0=0:0.01:1<br />
 for weight1=0:0.01:1.0-weight0<br />
   for weight2=0:0.01:1-weight0-weight1
</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope he will fix this soon.</p>
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		<title>By: MrPete</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160804</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrPete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Sad that the blog crashed when you posted... clearly significant. No crashes while you were out. How can a blog be allergic to its owner? :) )

Hope we can nail it soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sad that the blog crashed when you posted&#8230; clearly significant. No crashes while you were out. How can a blog be allergic to its owner? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>Hope we can nail it soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross McKitrick</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160803</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross McKitrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome back Steve. For my part, I&#039;m hoping that, instead of the usual sequence of events, this new Mann paper is an occasion for the paleoclimate community to show it has learned to ask the right questions, rather than waiting for outsiders to do it for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Steve. For my part, I&#8217;m hoping that, instead of the usual sequence of events, this new Mann paper is an occasion for the paleoclimate community to show it has learned to ask the right questions, rather than waiting for outsiders to do it for them.</p>
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		<title>By: mugwump</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/02/back-from-italy/#comment-160802</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mugwump]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
I see that Mann et al have a welcome-home present for us.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mean &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0901-temperatures.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;? I note the true believers are already claiming it is some kind of refutation of previous hockeystick debunking. If they don&#039;t use tree-rings, it would seem to be utter vindication rather than a refutation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
I see that Mann et al have a welcome-home present for us.
</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean <a href="http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0901-temperatures.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>? I note the true believers are already claiming it is some kind of refutation of previous hockeystick debunking. If they don&#8217;t use tree-rings, it would seem to be utter vindication rather than a refutation.</p>
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