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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-381184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 01:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this part of the comments from &lt;i&gt;philh&lt;/i&gt; is an elegant summary of why the scientific status of all this sloppy (and worse) work by Team Mann continues to merit closer scrutiny now and for the indefinite future (for anyone with the interests and means to follow up on the many CA threads through the years):
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 The reasons that Steve has had to continue to monitor these folks is because 
(1)they keep making these stupid errors; 
(2)they have stonewalled almost every attempt to gain access to their data and to their computer codes; 
(3) the so-called “peer reviewed” scientific journals these people publish in are not properly or conscienciously reviewed at all and their errors and misstatements are rarely if ever called out; 
(4) the celebrity treatment their incorrect “results” are given by the gullible media and by the IPCC;
(5) Steve is one of the few statisticians in the world who is interested enough in this, and is capable of ferreting these people out and is not afraid to do so, 

and, finally, because literally trillions of dollars and millions of lives are at stake here. It is one of the most important issues of this century and we really, really ought to have honest science on which to base our decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this part of the comments from <i>philh</i> is an elegant summary of why the scientific status of all this sloppy (and worse) work by Team Mann continues to merit closer scrutiny now and for the indefinite future (for anyone with the interests and means to follow up on the many CA threads through the years):</p>
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<p> The reasons that Steve has had to continue to monitor these folks is because<br />
(1)they keep making these stupid errors;<br />
(2)they have stonewalled almost every attempt to gain access to their data and to their computer codes;<br />
(3) the so-called “peer reviewed” scientific journals these people publish in are not properly or conscienciously reviewed at all and their errors and misstatements are rarely if ever called out;<br />
(4) the celebrity treatment their incorrect “results” are given by the gullible media and by the IPCC;<br />
(5) Steve is one of the few statisticians in the world who is interested enough in this, and is capable of ferreting these people out and is not afraid to do so, </p>
<p>and, finally, because literally trillions of dollars and millions of lives are at stake here. It is one of the most important issues of this century and we really, really ought to have honest science on which to base our decisions.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165543</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-302064&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kenneth Fritsch (#25)&lt;/a&gt;,
You see? Patience rewarded. We are most grateful to Dr. Hebert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-302064" rel="nofollow">Kenneth Fritsch (#25)</a>,<br />
You see? Patience rewarded. We are most grateful to Dr. Hebert.</p>
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		<title>By: darwin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[darwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-301961&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bender (#20)&lt;/a&gt; Bender -- I should have thunk that. Sam, apologia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-301961" rel="nofollow">bender (#20)</a> Bender &#8212; I should have thunk that. Sam, apologia.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-302035&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Armand MacMurray (#24)&lt;/a&gt;,

As I recall Francois was already in email contact with Ms Hebert, but as a further explanation of my previous post to this thread, it was based on a request for data that is fully acknowledged by the requestee.  I do think, however, that the length of time it takes for an acknowledged response from a scientist is a legitimate factor in judging that scientist.  In the meantime, I agree to be more patient and not jump to any conclusions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-302035" rel="nofollow">Armand MacMurray (#24)</a>,</p>
<p>As I recall Francois was already in email contact with Ms Hebert, but as a further explanation of my previous post to this thread, it was based on a request for data that is fully acknowledged by the requestee.  I do think, however, that the length of time it takes for an acknowledged response from a scientist is a legitimate factor in judging that scientist.  In the meantime, I agree to be more patient and not jump to any conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Armand MacMurray</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165540</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armand MacMurray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bender&#039;s right, especially since there&#039;s no easy way to verify that an email actually got through to a person.  Phone calls are cheap enough these days, and don&#039;t suffer from that defect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bender&#8217;s right, especially since there&#8217;s no easy way to verify that an email actually got through to a person.  Phone calls are cheap enough these days, and don&#8217;t suffer from that defect.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give her a break. People are busy. Please, no piling on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give her a break. People are busy. Please, no piling on.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-301962&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Francois Ouellette (#21)&lt;/a&gt;,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe she googled my name and dendrochonology, and found my post here… or maybe I&#039;m just paranoid… oops, gotta take my medicine…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In my mind, true and diligent scientists are always happy to provide data for others to analyze and in fact should relish a second opinion and the opportunity to debate a difference of interpretation.

A no reply speaks as loudly as a refusal in defining the scientist, but probably does not allow one to make the distinction between the potential deficiencies in true and diligent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-301962" rel="nofollow">Francois Ouellette (#21)</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe she googled my name and dendrochonology, and found my post here… or maybe I&#8217;m just paranoid… oops, gotta take my medicine…</p></blockquote>
<p>In my mind, true and diligent scientists are always happy to provide data for others to analyze and in fact should relish a second opinion and the opportunity to debate a difference of interpretation.</p>
<p>A no reply speaks as loudly as a refusal in defining the scientist, but probably does not allow one to make the distinction between the potential deficiencies in true and diligent.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois Ouellette</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165537</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francois Ouellette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may be facing stonewalling myself. Ed Cook hasn&#039;t replied, and I&#039;ve had no reply from Barbara Hébert about her data on old gaspe cedars, even after one kind reminder. Maybe she googled my name and dendrochonology, and found my post here... or maybe I&#039;m just paranoid... oops, gotta take my medicine...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be facing stonewalling myself. Ed Cook hasn&#8217;t replied, and I&#8217;ve had no reply from Barbara Hébert about her data on old gaspe cedars, even after one kind reminder. Maybe she googled my name and dendrochonology, and found my post here&#8230; or maybe I&#8217;m just paranoid&#8230; oops, gotta take my medicine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-301960&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;darwin (#19)&lt;/a&gt;,
Sam is making a back-handed reference of irony (he often does that) to the Wegman equation:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Right Answer + Wrong Method = Bad Science&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is his way of referring Duhamel, the reader asking for a &quot;lay summary&quot;, to the original Wegman and NAS reports that underlie the Bishop Hill story on Caspar Ammann. I think his point is that there are many, many ways to summarize this story. That asking for just one summary is asking too much given all the possible variants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-301960" rel="nofollow">darwin (#19)</a>,<br />
Sam is making a back-handed reference of irony (he often does that) to the Wegman equation:</p>
<blockquote><p>Right Answer + Wrong Method = Bad Science</p></blockquote>
<p>This is his way of referring Duhamel, the reader asking for a &#8220;lay summary&#8221;, to the original Wegman and NAS reports that underlie the Bishop Hill story on Caspar Ammann. I think his point is that there are many, many ways to summarize this story. That asking for just one summary is asking too much given all the possible variants.</p>
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		<title>By: darwin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/29/the-mbh98-corrigendum/#comment-165535</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[darwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#18 -- &quot;Right answer&quot;? Define, please. A person can get the &quot;right answer&quot; twice a day from the face of a clock, but be wrong for all the other 86,398 seconds. Tomato, tomate; potatoes, papas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 &#8212; &#8220;Right answer&#8221;? Define, please. A person can get the &#8220;right answer&#8221; twice a day from the face of a clock, but be wrong for all the other 86,398 seconds. Tomato, tomate; potatoes, papas.</p>
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