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		<title>By: The FOI Myth #2 &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-213414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The FOI Myth #2 &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and expeditiously by CRU placing the requested information on a webpage (see CA discussions here [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: ChrisJ</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ChrisJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[programming style. Hi Steve- I have found that single letter variable names are really hard to search with the computer. However if you triple them up it is much easier to follow/find/tweak them later.  For example...

ggg() instead of g()
xxx instead of x
yyy instead of y

etcetera.

This one small change can make a tremendous difference in readability for others. Hang in there! Thanks. best regards, -chris
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Steve:&lt;/strong&gt;  Good point. If I use function with an uninformative name like this, I&#039;ll typically define it on one line and use it in an adjacent line.  Because R is so concise, I&#039;m increasingly being a little redundant in my programming and re-defining smoothing functions and things like that as I use them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>programming style. Hi Steve- I have found that single letter variable names are really hard to search with the computer. However if you triple them up it is much easier to follow/find/tweak them later.  For example&#8230;</p>
<p>ggg() instead of g()<br />
xxx instead of x<br />
yyy instead of y</p>
<p>etcetera.</p>
<p>This one small change can make a tremendous difference in readability for others. Hang in there! Thanks. best regards, -chris<br />
<strong><br />
Steve:</strong>  Good point. If I use function with an uninformative name like this, I&#8217;ll typically define it on one line and use it in an adjacent line.  Because R is so concise, I&#8217;m increasingly being a little redundant in my programming and re-defining smoothing functions and things like that as I use them.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Loehle</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165709</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Loehle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When is it valid to drop some data?  As a post-doc, a fellow post-doc dropped by with a question.  He had a nice allometric relationship between leaf length and leaf area, but some points were messing up the graph.  I asked was there anything special about those points?  Well, those were the ones where bugs had taken a big bite out of the leaf and he had estimated the missing piece.  Clearly, I told him, you goofed on the extrapolation, and should drop those points.  He was not able to drop them just because they messed up his graph...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is it valid to drop some data?  As a post-doc, a fellow post-doc dropped by with a question.  He had a nice allometric relationship between leaf length and leaf area, but some points were messing up the graph.  I asked was there anything special about those points?  Well, those were the ones where bugs had taken a big bite out of the leaf and he had estimated the missing piece.  Clearly, I told him, you goofed on the extrapolation, and should drop those points.  He was not able to drop them just because they messed up his graph&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jeff id</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165708</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeff id]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like to bug you too much. Besides, reading and trying is a good way to learn.

I changed
g=function(X) ts(X[,2],start=X[1.1])

to

g=function(X) ts(X[,2],start=X[1,1]) -- a comma in 1,1 which made sense to me now.

and the only problem left is smartlegend is an unrecognized function.  I comment it out and get your graph.

&lt;strong&gt;Steve&lt;/strong&gt;: Sorry bout that. smartlegend is in the gplots package. So you have to install gplots.  Then insert library(gplots) in the script.  I&#039;ve got too many things in my console right now and need to close it down and see what I&#039;ve got loaded for these little scripts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like to bug you too much. Besides, reading and trying is a good way to learn.</p>
<p>I changed<br />
g=function(X) ts(X[,2],start=X[1.1])</p>
<p>to</p>
<p>g=function(X) ts(X[,2],start=X[1,1]) &#8212; a comma in 1,1 which made sense to me now.</p>
<p>and the only problem left is smartlegend is an unrecognized function.  I comment it out and get your graph.</p>
<p><strong>Steve</strong>: Sorry bout that. smartlegend is in the gplots package. So you have to install gplots.  Then insert library(gplots) in the script.  I&#8217;ve got too many things in my console right now and need to close it down and see what I&#8217;ve got loaded for these little scripts.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff id</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeff id]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been working on running the above script for hours now.  I am really stuck.

for ( i in 1:K) chron=ts.union(chron,g(mann[[index [i] ]]) )

The g in the line above is an unrecognized function.  I tried removing it and have spent quite a bit of time studying time series but no luck yet.


#41 I will.  I want to learn R first but have been studying some of the characterization techniques for matching red noise to measured data.  I am hoping for a more general answer to offset and magnification than just trying to match a single paper though.  I found some references stating that this was the method used to criticize our hosts past work on this subject.

&lt;strong&gt;Steve: If I throw up an illustrative script, PLEASE don&#039;t waste time trying to figure out a hangup. Just ask me.  It will 99% of the time be something that I&#039;ve got on my console. &lt;/strong&gt; Here is simply a little function to make the data into a time series.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working on running the above script for hours now.  I am really stuck.</p>
<p>for ( i in 1:K) chron=ts.union(chron,g(mann[[index [i] ]]) )</p>
<p>The g in the line above is an unrecognized function.  I tried removing it and have spent quite a bit of time studying time series but no luck yet.</p>
<p>#41 I will.  I want to learn R first but have been studying some of the characterization techniques for matching red noise to measured data.  I am hoping for a more general answer to offset and magnification than just trying to match a single paper though.  I found some references stating that this was the method used to criticize our hosts past work on this subject.</p>
<p><strong>Steve: If I throw up an illustrative script, PLEASE don&#8217;t waste time trying to figure out a hangup. Just ask me.  It will 99% of the time be something that I&#8217;ve got on my console. </strong> Here is simply a little function to make the data into a time series.</p>
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g=function(X) ts(X[,2],start=X[1,1])</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165706</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-302681&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Id (#34)&lt;/a&gt;,

&lt;blockquote&gt;The effect is a bit subtle apparently because it is such an accepted technique in paleoclimatology but the result is quite large. From my reconstruction of 08, the temperature data in the historic period prior to 1850 is de-magnified to 62% of the calibration range data. I haven&#039;t figured out how to calculate the offset yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

JeffId, I have seen rather vague references to this effect of reconstructions and I believe they were pointed to as a mild warning by a review of the AGW consensus literature.  It could have been in an IPCC review.  I would like to see you push this point because as stated it has to be an important aspect of interpreting reconstruction results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-302681" rel="nofollow">Jeff Id (#34)</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>The effect is a bit subtle apparently because it is such an accepted technique in paleoclimatology but the result is quite large. From my reconstruction of 08, the temperature data in the historic period prior to 1850 is de-magnified to 62% of the calibration range data. I haven&#8217;t figured out how to calculate the offset yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>JeffId, I have seen rather vague references to this effect of reconstructions and I believe they were pointed to as a mild warning by a review of the AGW consensus literature.  It could have been in an IPCC review.  I would like to see you push this point because as stated it has to be an important aspect of interpreting reconstruction results.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165705</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I try to resist suggesting that Steve should do this or that to gain more publicity. But times change. Some of these recent &quot;errors&quot; are so easy to see that they are serious candidates for youtube type short clips. Anyone gone down that road? It&#039;s usually pretty vital to catch the populace when they are young, not old and settled. Steve, please snip if inappropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to resist suggesting that Steve should do this or that to gain more publicity. But times change. Some of these recent &#8220;errors&#8221; are so easy to see that they are serious candidates for youtube type short clips. Anyone gone down that road? It&#8217;s usually pretty vital to catch the populace when they are young, not old and settled. Steve, please snip if inappropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: IainM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IainM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-302688&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IainM (#35)&lt;/a&gt;,

Thanks for responding, Steve, but I don&#039;t mean to take you away from the work you&#039;re doing. I was hoping that someone else might come back with a fix. Keep up the good work !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-302688" rel="nofollow">IainM (#35)</a>,</p>
<p>Thanks for responding, Steve, but I don&#8217;t mean to take you away from the work you&#8217;re doing. I was hoping that someone else might come back with a fix. Keep up the good work !</p>
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		<title>By: Mark T.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-302692&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AndyL (#36)&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe it&#039;s too early to tell, but I&#039;m interested in whether M08 is being accepted and publicised, or whether your analysis is already causing people to avoid citing and promoting it (or at least to be careful about doing so)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s a good question.  The blog-world, however, is much different than the television/media world, and it is plausible to assume that being roundly discredited here will have zero impact there.

Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-302692" rel="nofollow">AndyL (#36)</a>,<br />
<blockquote>Maybe it&#8217;s too early to tell, but I&#8217;m interested in whether M08 is being accepted and publicised, or whether your analysis is already causing people to avoid citing and promoting it (or at least to be careful about doing so)</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a good question.  The blog-world, however, is much different than the television/media world, and it is plausible to assume that being roundly discredited here will have zero impact there.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Machnee</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/02/more-on-the-mxd-data-set/#comment-165702</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Machnee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-302692&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AndyL (#36)&lt;/a&gt;,
**As Mark T said in 31, what I meant was that no-one seems to be jumping on any errors of yours (or Jeff Id&#039;s)**
Errors are hard to find as they seldom occur. If they do they are corrected.
What is quoted is the following worn out statement- &quot;It has been discredited&quot;, but no proof is ever offered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-302692" rel="nofollow">AndyL (#36)</a>,<br />
**As Mark T said in 31, what I meant was that no-one seems to be jumping on any errors of yours (or Jeff Id&#8217;s)**<br />
Errors are hard to find as they seldom occur. If they do they are corrected.<br />
What is quoted is the following worn out statement- &#8220;It has been discredited&#8221;, but no proof is ever offered.</p>
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