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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: The FOI Myth #2 &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-213415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The FOI Myth #2 &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Whereas previous attempts to obtain this data directly or through the journal (edited by Andrew Weaver) had been unsuccessful, this request through FOI was resolved promptly and expeditiously by CRU placing the requested information on a webpage (see CA discussions here here [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Whereas previous attempts to obtain this data directly or through the journal (edited by Andrew Weaver) had been unsuccessful, this request through FOI was resolved promptly and expeditiously by CRU placing the requested information on a webpage (see CA discussions here here [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-166844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-366804&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ron Manley (#13)&lt;/a&gt;,
Your best bet it to use google.

&quot;MXD Climate&quot; brings up:
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=150
Figure 1 below shows the following Tornetrask maximum density (MXD) chronologies

Searching on &quot;maximum density (MXD) chronologies&quot; will bring up numerous references on the topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-366804" rel="nofollow">Ron Manley (#13)</a>,<br />
Your best bet it to use google.</p>
<p>&#8220;MXD Climate&#8221; brings up:<br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=150" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=150</a><br />
Figure 1 below shows the following Tornetrask maximum density (MXD) chronologies</p>
<p>Searching on &#8220;maximum density (MXD) chronologies&#8221; will bring up numerous references on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Manley</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-166843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Manley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a regular reader of your blog but am sometimes puzzled by acronyms (MXD in tihs case). Can I ask that you define them each post (after all recent events are likely to lead to a lot of new readers.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a regular reader of your blog but am sometimes puzzled by acronyms (MXD in tihs case). Can I ask that you define them each post (after all recent events are likely to lead to a lot of new readers.)</p>
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		<title>By: tty</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-166842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you look in the Wayback machine (http://web.archive.org/web/20080123183704/http://fox.rwu.edu/~rutherfo/supplements/jclim2003a/) it seems that fox.rwu.edu/~rutherfo/supplements/jclim2003a/ was actually online for a short period in late 2007 and early 2008. The main page was archived, but unfortunately none of the linked data files. Either they never existed or they were blocked from archiving by using robots.txt, a precaution that seems to be fairly common in the climate science community.

Steve:  It&#039;s not that the archive was empty. What I&lt;strong&gt; said&lt;/strong&gt; was that it didn&#039;t contain the MXD data.  This directory contained a placeholder saying to contact Tim Osborn, which I did, but he refused to provide the data.  As I mentioned above, I tried again recently using UK FOI legislation and had some success.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look in the Wayback machine (<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080123183704/http://fox.rwu.edu/~rutherfo/supplements/jclim2003a/" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20080123183704/http://fox.rwu.edu/~rutherfo/supplements/jclim2003a/</a>) it seems that fox.rwu.edu/~rutherfo/supplements/jclim2003a/ was actually online for a short period in late 2007 and early 2008. The main page was archived, but unfortunately none of the linked data files. Either they never existed or they were blocked from archiving by using robots.txt, a precaution that seems to be fairly common in the climate science community.</p>
<p>Steve:  It&#8217;s not that the archive was empty. What I<strong> said</strong> was that it didn&#8217;t contain the MXD data.  This directory contained a placeholder saying to contact Tim Osborn, which I did, but he refused to provide the data.  As I mentioned above, I tried again recently using UK FOI legislation and had some success.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob North</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-166841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob North]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like trying to get a detailed picture looking through one of those glass block walls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like trying to get a detailed picture looking through one of those glass block walls.</p>
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		<title>By: icman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-166840</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[icman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John A

Classic]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John A</p>
<p>Classic</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Id</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Id]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The infilled data average has the upslope shape, in the same way the Luterbacher individual series had odd shapes but the average was a perfect match.  If you average the  (briffa) infilled data the net is an uptrend link below in my old post.

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/mxd-tree-removal-service-choppin-wood-off-a-hockey-stick/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The infilled data average has the upslope shape, in the same way the Luterbacher individual series had odd shapes but the average was a perfect match.  If you average the  (briffa) infilled data the net is an uptrend link below in my old post.</p>
<p><a href="http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/mxd-tree-removal-service-choppin-wood-off-a-hockey-stick/" rel="nofollow">http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/mxd-tree-removal-service-choppin-wood-off-a-hockey-stick/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pat Frank</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-166838</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Page 2309 of Rutherford, 2005 says, &quot;&lt;i&gt;Osborn et al. 2004, manuscript submitted to Global Planet. Change, hereafter OSB.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; Reading your quote, I figured OSB meant Osborn, though a more common way of indicating one author would be TJO, in Osborn&#039;s case.

I separately searched &quot;Briffa&quot; and &quot;Osborn&quot; in &quot;Global and Planetary Change,&quot; and only one paper turned up: K. R. Briffa, T. J. Osborn, and F. H. Schweingruber (2004) &quot;Large-scale temperature inferences from tree rings: a review&quot; Global and Planetary Change 40(1-2), 11-26, now &lt;strong&gt;BOS04&lt;/strong&gt;. The 2004 date is reasonable for a &quot;submitted&quot; comment in Rutherford, 2005, because R05 was itself submitted only in September 2003. BOS04 is thus likely to be &quot;OSB.&quot;

BOS04 (OSB) is a review article with no Methods Section, no equations or mathematical descriptions of any kind, and no supplemental information. That is, it is not the sort of article where one expects to find a complete, or even a useful, methodological description.

The only relevant passage I found in BOS04 regarding grid-box calibration was in the legend to Figure 8: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Average temperature over land areas north of 20°N, as observed (black) and reconstructed by a simple linear regression recalibration of published series by [Jones et al., 1998] in red; [Mann et al., 1999] in purple; [Briffa and Osborn, 1999] in green; [Briffa et al., 2001] in blue; and [Esper et al., 2002] in pink. The series used from [Mann et al., 1999. M.E. Mann, R.S. Bradley and M.K. Hughes, Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the past millennium: inferences, uncertainties and limitations. Geophysical Research Letters 26 (1999), pp. 759–762. Mann et al., 1999] was an average of land grid boxes north of 20°N from their spatially resolved reconstructions. Each series was recalibrated over 1881–1960 against, (a) annual-mean temperature and (b) April–September mean temperature. Note the effect on the temperature magnitudes in the two sets of series caused by calibrating the same data against these alternative predictands.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

This isn&#039;t a particularly detailed description of what was done.

Also, in Figure 6: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Fig. 6. (a) Instrumental temperatures (red) and tree-ring density reconstructions of temperature (black) averaged over all land grid boxes north of 50°N, smoothed with a 5-year low-pass filter.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I found nothing in BOS04 that described any infilling of missing data. Yet another small mystery, given the statement in R05 that, &quot;&lt;i&gt;OSB add this missing low-frequency variability to each grid box in a region.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;


&lt;strong&gt;Steve:&lt;/strong&gt;  Thanks for this. I missed that definition - I&#039;d read the article and, as you say, it doesn&#039;t describe the method. I&#039;ve edited the text to clarify this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Page 2309 of Rutherford, 2005 says, &#8220;<i>Osborn et al. 2004, manuscript submitted to Global Planet. Change, hereafter OSB.</i>&#8221; Reading your quote, I figured OSB meant Osborn, though a more common way of indicating one author would be TJO, in Osborn&#8217;s case.</p>
<p>I separately searched &#8220;Briffa&#8221; and &#8220;Osborn&#8221; in &#8220;Global and Planetary Change,&#8221; and only one paper turned up: K. R. Briffa, T. J. Osborn, and F. H. Schweingruber (2004) &#8220;Large-scale temperature inferences from tree rings: a review&#8221; Global and Planetary Change 40(1-2), 11-26, now <strong>BOS04</strong>. The 2004 date is reasonable for a &#8220;submitted&#8221; comment in Rutherford, 2005, because R05 was itself submitted only in September 2003. BOS04 is thus likely to be &#8220;OSB.&#8221;</p>
<p>BOS04 (OSB) is a review article with no Methods Section, no equations or mathematical descriptions of any kind, and no supplemental information. That is, it is not the sort of article where one expects to find a complete, or even a useful, methodological description.</p>
<p>The only relevant passage I found in BOS04 regarding grid-box calibration was in the legend to Figure 8: &#8220;<i>Average temperature over land areas north of 20°N, as observed (black) and reconstructed by a simple linear regression recalibration of published series by [Jones et al., 1998] in red; [Mann et al., 1999] in purple; [Briffa and Osborn, 1999] in green; [Briffa et al., 2001] in blue; and [Esper et al., 2002] in pink. The series used from [Mann et al., 1999. M.E. Mann, R.S. Bradley and M.K. Hughes, Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the past millennium: inferences, uncertainties and limitations. Geophysical Research Letters 26 (1999), pp. 759–762. Mann et al., 1999] was an average of land grid boxes north of 20°N from their spatially resolved reconstructions. Each series was recalibrated over 1881–1960 against, (a) annual-mean temperature and (b) April–September mean temperature. Note the effect on the temperature magnitudes in the two sets of series caused by calibrating the same data against these alternative predictands.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a particularly detailed description of what was done.</p>
<p>Also, in Figure 6: &#8220;<i>Fig. 6. (a) Instrumental temperatures (red) and tree-ring density reconstructions of temperature (black) averaged over all land grid boxes north of 50°N, smoothed with a 5-year low-pass filter.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I found nothing in BOS04 that described any infilling of missing data. Yet another small mystery, given the statement in R05 that, &#8220;<i>OSB add this missing low-frequency variability to each grid box in a region.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Steve:</strong>  Thanks for this. I missed that definition &#8211; I&#8217;d read the article and, as you say, it doesn&#8217;t describe the method. I&#8217;ve edited the text to clarify this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-166837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some reason I&#039;m wanting to sing the Banana Splits song...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason I&#8217;m wanting to sing the Banana Splits song&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Global Warming &#187; More on the Gridded MXD Data « Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/10/31/more-on-the-gridded-mxd-data/#comment-166836</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Warming &#187; More on the Gridded MXD Data « Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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